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Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Eieiom · 09/05/2024 11:12

Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

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YankSplaining · 09/05/2024 17:00

potato57 · 09/05/2024 16:47

She was already famous, she didn't need anything from them. Being involved with them has done her brand more harm than good. And of course you wouldn't want to live under all the shit she gets from the press here for no reason. Other than Camilla throwing everyone under the bus so she could get good press in return to wipe out the whole Diana thing.

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Speaking as an American - Meghan was C-list at best. Despite following a lot of celebrity gossip, I’d never heard of her until she and Harry got engaged. I’d heard of Suits, but didn’t know anyone who watched it.

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 17:01

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 09/05/2024 16:44

True. And there was a huge amount of goodwill towards both him and Meghan around the time of their wedding.
I never would have thought this before it all kicked off, but in hindsight IMO she always intended to get him away, to enjoy the pluses and the money - and to capitalise on her duchess status - without the tedious royal duties.

Recollections certainly vary. I remember a lot of racism, including on MN.
Lots of - I didn't realise she was mixed heritage, I don't care about that, but there is something about her I just do not like.

MuscariFan · 09/05/2024 17:02

potato57 · 09/05/2024 16:47

She was already famous, she didn't need anything from them. Being involved with them has done her brand more harm than good. And of course you wouldn't want to live under all the shit she gets from the press here for no reason. Other than Camilla throwing everyone under the bus so she could get good press in return to wipe out the whole Diana thing.

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Famous from a bit part American show that barely anyone had heard of? I watch lots of American shows, but had barely heard of Suits and never heard of Meghan. I don't think she was broad-spectrum famous in the slightest.

I am in the camp of those who think she was all in for being royalty until she realised there was a pecking order and she would be a long way from the top of it. They thought they had leverage for the half-in/half-out due to their (in their own heads) star quality, and got a nasty shock.

Kerrylass · 09/05/2024 17:02

CosmosQueen · 09/05/2024 16:58

At least Diana and Charles didn’t sell their story for $$$$$ or have a film crew following them around or openly exploit their status and family for financial gain.

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In fairness, Both Charles and Diana played the media game better than anyone. Just because they didnt have deals doesnt mean they didnt promote their own version of events.

Charles shouldve met his son,

silverbirches · 09/05/2024 17:06

askmenow · 09/05/2024 16:38

Christ! The King is suffering from cancer, undergoing treatment, still does all his daily "Boxes", is a workaholic and chomping at the bit to get back to doing his duties, glad-handing dignatories, meeting the public and has back to back pending appointments.

Harry comes over here on a prearranged visit and can't arrange to come a couple of days earlier to fit round the busy schedule of his father....??

Spoiled and entitled spring to mind....read the room boyo!

Its encumbent upon Harry to make all the suitable adjustments in dates/ diaries etc to facilitate a meet with the King.
After all WHAT does Harry actually DO?

Exactly.

He's the King. You wouldn't expect any head of state or someone like the Pope to rearrange their calendar to fit in with your availability. No - you rearrange your calendar to fit in with them.

I still don't think Harry quite 'gets' it. Especially not after setting fire to so many bridges in such a spectacularly public fashion.

I do feel sorry for Harry in a way, but I still think he's been a fool.

Mothership4two · 09/05/2024 17:07

Meghan wasn't THAT famous. She was an actress with a main part in a TV series. Not quite the same global level of royalty fame. Despite her once claiming she didn't know who he was - which has been disproved (by them) as she discussed him in an interview a year before she met him and they were instagram messaging each other before they dated. I had no idea who she was and I watched Suits and Fringe

Hairychops77892 · 09/05/2024 17:07

PrestonHood121 · 09/05/2024 16:29

They are all selfish idiots. But that doesn’t excuse Harry’s actions as a grown man, selling his family out for money and not expecting to deal with the consequences of that. Maybe he did and he doesn’t care? It’s all fun and games until nobody trusts him and cuts him off.

To be fair I think Harry feels he was sold out as a teenager and young man in the process of Camilla’s rehabilitation.

wordler · 09/05/2024 17:10

WorriedMama12 · 09/05/2024 16:52

I don't agree it was racism. Would it be racism if a ginger haired parent and a dark haired parent wondered how red/brown their child's hair would be? A parent of Italian heritage and a parent of Scandinavian heritage wondering how olive toned their child's skin would be? No? So why is it racism to wonder how light or dark the child of a mixed race parent and a white parent would be? And no, I'm not white.

Well it can be racist if the implication in the tone is that there’s a preference for not having a particular racial feature show up in a future child.

So if it’s not ‘I can’t wait to see who he takes after most’ but something like ‘I hope he gets your skin, hair features and not theirs’

However my problem with this particular anecdote is the confusion and obfuscation around what - if anything - was said or implied.

Meghan tells Oprah that there were conversations (plural) around what Archie’s skin tone would be while she was pregnant while at the same time there were conversations about Archie not being a Prince and she let Oprah speculate that the two things were connected.

Then Harry comes on and says actually it was just one person’s comment and it was before they were even married and Meghan wasn’t even present for the conversation. But he will never say who it was. But he lets the media speculate about who the royal racist is for a could have years without ever clarifying what was actually said.

Then during press promotion for Spare he says it wasn’t racist, he’d never said it was and it was just unconscious bias.

He still doesn’t explain who or what was said and doesn’t clarify that the separate stuff about Archie’s title was nothing to do with that just the rules for a male great grandchild of a monarch not in the direct line for the throne.

Then their ‘unofficial’ spokesman Omid lets a mistake get published in his book which names Kate and Charles as the royal ‘racists’ and STILL Harry nor Meghan make any kind of clarifying statement to clear up the confusion on what was said, by whom, or when.

So just leave this horrible mess hanging over everyone’s heads and allow their ‘supporters’ to use it to attack his own family on a regular basis for over three years now.

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 17:10

So less than a month after Harry and Meghan had wed there were various nasty threads on MN about Meghan. The worst with racism were deleted by MNHQ. These are the milder ones.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/3280443-Meghans-awful-dress-yesterday

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/3277779-Meghan-and-the-Queen

A post about 9 months after they were married about the amount of online racist abuse Meghan was receiving. There were other threads about this but they were all deleted for racism. This one is there because no one commented.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/3529230-cnn-racist-online-abuse-of-meghan-has-put-royal-staff-on-high-alert

Thread after Harry and Meghan had their first baby

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/3578648-MM-has-had-her-baby

mrsdineen2 · 09/05/2024 17:10

He lives a live of luxury and opulence while his "subjects" (vile word) rely on food banks and die of coldness in winter.

Selfish is absolute kindest word I would use.

SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress · 09/05/2024 17:11

I think flogging his story and flinging accusations around, sage in the knowledge that the RF couldn't respond cooked his goose tbh.

mitogoshi · 09/05/2024 17:11

You write a tell all memoir for money about your family, the "facts" of which aren't even proven in some cases (as in there's some things which are proven wrong in it) then expect your family to accept you back?

I honestly think H is a bit naive at best, there's worse explanations. I couldn't care less about where he lives or who he married but it seems he's made a whole load of bad choices

Bollindger · 09/05/2024 17:12

Meghan has cut off all her friends and family, no UK influence needed.
She then invited people she didn't know but could try and use to her wedding.
Fell out with the Beckham's, the George Clunie. Oprah.
Stole Prince George's code name.
Stole the Queen' s pet name.
Was rude about the Queen , on her own podcast.
They sue everyone.
Shall we continue....

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 17:14

Mothership4two · 09/05/2024 17:07

Meghan wasn't THAT famous. She was an actress with a main part in a TV series. Not quite the same global level of royalty fame. Despite her once claiming she didn't know who he was - which has been disproved (by them) as she discussed him in an interview a year before she met him and they were instagram messaging each other before they dated. I had no idea who she was and I watched Suits and Fringe

Meghan never once said she did not know Harry was. She said she did not know much about him. And why would she?

Dolma · 09/05/2024 17:14

I assume that the top priority right now is privacy about Kate's medical situation, for the sake of her children more than anything. The rumours and speculation about their mother must have been awful for them.

Harry talks to the press. Even if he has no intention of giving away any private information, if Harry meets up with Charles then the press will directly ask him how Kate is. Even ignoring the question, or answering "no comment", will provoke more vile rumours. The only way to keep it in check is for there to be no meeting with Harry.

Starzinsky · 09/05/2024 17:17

If you go back to his pre megan days he seemed alot happier. No ones parents are perfect but H did cross a line in his treatment of his family very publicly. Some people deal with what life throws at them, others play the victim. I imagined for many years he always got what he wanted by having a tantrum.

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 17:17

@Dolma So Charles is going no contact with his son?

SammyScrounge · 09/05/2024 17:20

Kerrylass · 09/05/2024 17:02

In fairness, Both Charles and Diana played the media game better than anyone. Just because they didnt have deals doesnt mean they didnt promote their own version of events.

Charles shouldve met his son,

Why? There's no more to be said now.that Harry's loathing of his family has been made clear. He has trashed them due to his own petty but vicious resentment. The King's wife has been attacked, the future King also, the King"s daughter in law...
Harry tries to get close because association with the Royals is his only claim to fame and he could make money out of it. The Press will always pay out a behind the scenes feature. Charles must protect his family from the spite of Harry and Meghan.

quizzys · 09/05/2024 17:23

Who can say whether what we are being "fed" is true anyway? KC could have met H on the quiet and in secret. They have the means to do anything they want. So the story can go out that they are at loggerheads or whatever which keeps the focus off the Princess of Wales. It's all choreographed IMV.

Anyway, whether the RF stay or go is irrelevant. They will still court publicity no matter what they do. They will still have their billions, their jewels, their paintings, their treasures, their horses, their houses, won't they?

Mothership4two · 09/05/2024 17:24

@Kerrylass

In fairness, Both Charles and Diana played the media game better than anyone. Just because they didnt have deals doesnt mean they didnt promote their own version of events.

^^This. And it is still going on and is incredibly effective. Their staff and advisers are experts in this field and have been for a very long time. eg Camilla, who has gone from being publicly pretty much universally hated, so much so RF said she would never have the title of Queen, to today where Queen Camilla (so that was a lie then) carries out official engagements and they have a nice 'forbidden love' backstory.

I have friends, acquaintances and family who have worked for and with the RF and the KC&QC 'big romance' is a lot of hogwash apparently but the thinking is it would be more 'palatable' to the public than the truth.

Itsnotallaboutyoulikeyouthink · 09/05/2024 17:25

Kesio · 09/05/2024 11:17

The roots are far deeper than that. I personally think Charles is one of the victims of it all, not the root cause. He was forced to marry a virgin (subjected to virginity tests) for example. The woman he loved wasn’t a virgin!

Agree, the Queen is answerable to a lot of this. I feel for Diana being out into that situation but equally Charles and camilla should have been allowed to be together.

Harry is everything that I don’t want my children to be. We lost their father and I say I don’t want them to get to a certain age and be blaming their life choices on the death of their father. I feel Harry partly does this.

Janiie · 09/05/2024 17:26

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 17:17

@Dolma So Charles is going no contact with his son?

He is in contact with him, i believe it has been reported that they speak on the phone?

KC didn't see him yesterday. So what? Low contact best all round when Blabbermouth Harry is in town.

You reap what you sow H just can't expect to click his fingers and call the shots.

He showed up attended his service and is off to Nigeria. See ya Harold.

AcrossthePond55 · 09/05/2024 17:26

I think the RF doesn't have a 'normal' mindset. I don't mean 'abnormal' just not the same as the 'run of the mill' person and family. Charles was raised with 'duty' foremost & uppermost and I don't think he could conceive of abandoning the throne he was raised by his mother to see as the most important part of his life. I think William has a bit of this mindset but I also think he would put his family before the throne if it came down to it. Harry as the 'spare' wasn't really raised with the same sense of duty. That's why he was able to skip off into the sunset with Markle.

As far as Charles' feelings towards Harry, I'm sure he still loves him, as we would continue to love our child even if they were a disappointment. But I'd have second thoughts about a 'reunion', too. Especially after that child aired our dirty laundry so publicly, putting a 'spin' or lying about events. And especially if I knew that whatever happened during this 'reunion' was going to be treated as fodder for further publicity, as happened after the death of the late Queen. Once bitten, twice shy.

BashfulClam · 09/05/2024 17:31

ThisIsMyRubbishUsername · 09/05/2024 11:51

I think the royal family are a classic narcissistic family. Charles is probably a victim of that as much as anyone else. The Royal family is all about appearances, golden children and scapegoats.
The fact that Harry is so vilified in the press makes me think there is a smear campaign going on in the background to feed it. That’s what often happens to the scapegoat. Just read the relationship/family threads on here. They may be Royal, but they are just as susceptible to toxicity and dysfunction as the rest of us.

Meghan was found taking pictures or Princess Charlotte’s bedroom secretly. Harry also leaked to the press. William tested if he was he was leaking information to the press by telling only Harry that the QueensA body would travel to London by train. It was healed proving Harry cannot be trusted.

TheWernethWife · 09/05/2024 17:34

Whatever people think about Prince Harry, he didn't plot with Nazi's and put Great Britain at risk passing on official secrets like the late Queen's uncle the Duke of Windsor.
He was allowed to keep his title and lived in luxury in Paris with a pension. It seems that people won't be happy until Harry's head is on a spike in the tower

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