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Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Eieiom · 09/05/2024 11:12

Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

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Sunnyandsilly · 09/05/2024 15:54

Vastlyoverrated · 09/05/2024 15:47

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the optics are bad when King Charles can't make time to have a quick friendly non-public meeting with Harry and has taken Frogmore cottage away, but allows Andrew to live in his palatial mansion still and Andrew is seen out and about with the Royal Family (even if he is not an 'active' member) at funerals, in church and so on. I think Charles does need to lead the way on forgiveness and being welcome, at least on a personal level, to Harry given he hasn't been accused of a crime nor has he had his trial settled with payments from his mum.

I think thr majority would say the optics are absolutely correct based on Harry’s behaviour, Charles should not meet him , especially with Nigeria coming up . Andrew is a different story as he has a lifetime lease.

Boomer55 · 09/05/2024 15:56

Eieiom · 09/05/2024 11:12

Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

Charles has always been petulant, wanting his own way, and sulking. His two sons are a chip off of the block.

They should consider their charmed lives, and all grow up and stop squabbling.🙄

wordler · 09/05/2024 15:58

gocompare · 09/05/2024 15:47

This totally.

There have been too many scandals now. I think it's time for them to step down.

They can’t step down as they don’t have the power to decide on their own that the UK is no longer to be a constitutional monarchy for its parliamentary modal.

If the ‘entire’ House of Windsor collectively agreed to abdicate, constitutionally we’d just have to go down the hereditary lines until we found the next family willing to provide a monarch.

As it is people can only abdicate for themselves not their decendents so Charles says he’s off, William says no thanks, then we have to wait for poor George to get to 18 so that he can abdicate. Guess who is regent during that time Uncle Harry and Great Uncle Andy!

And I would bet you a billion, trillion pounds that if got down to either of those two they would leap at the chance to be the monarch. Harry would be back in a flash.

There is a super simple way to stop having a monarch. We the people simply have to want it as a majority and get our representatives to vote on it in Parliament.

There just isn’t the political will for it - as a significant majority don’t want it to happen.

Vastlyoverrated · 09/05/2024 15:59

Andrew is a different story as he has a lifetime lease but surely KC would have pressed him to relinquish that lease if he'd been found guilty of a sexual assault in a civil trial? Carry on living in it, I think not!

I wouldn't be embarrassed if someone took a photo with Harry and my Royal Self in it, Harry is my son even if he is a plonker. I would be acutely embarrassed if I, the King, was in the same photoframe as Andrew as at the very least he is friends with a paedophile and possibly worse. This is how he should be thinking!

ageratum1 · 09/05/2024 15:59

Harry is renowned for being thicknas mince .He is in the thrall of meghan who has engineered all this

ginasevern · 09/05/2024 16:00

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 15:26

And look at the fallout from the abdication! I don't think the RF could have let that happen again. Bear in mind to that heirs to the throne are brought up with a huge sense of their destiny and their duty. The Queen Mother would have been apoplectic at the very idea, and Charles was apparently very close to her. He wouldn't have done that to her.

So he treated his teenage wife like shit instead.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 16:02

RazzlePuff · 09/05/2024 15:36

Charles has gotten older and not wiser.

He’s the same selfish dog who married Diana for all the wrong reasons.
Charles the same dirty dog, dogging married Cami and wanting to be her tampon.
The same dog ignored his kids, parenting in obligation only and photo ops.
He should have had every opportunity to support his kids emotionally, but decided not to. He saw Diana do it, but he didn’t make an effort.

Charles left many damaged in his wake as he pursued his selfish desires.

The public never hears a peep from Camilla’s family, how they were destroyed. Why. Because her son is the Food editor at Daily Mail. All DM says about Camilla & hers is flattery because they are on DM media payroll.

IMO - Charles worst parent.

How do you know all that? Even Harry doesn't say that!! I'm not convinced either that Diana was the epitome of motherhood. The boys were in boarding school, she was off on jaunts with lovers and they'd have had shared custody anyway.

Josette77 · 09/05/2024 16:02

Hairychops77892 · 09/05/2024 15:39

Not yet maybe but there’s always hope! 😀

None of my young adult children could name or care less about the RF tbh! They could recognise the late Queen but not many more and we used to be a forces family! The monarchy just doesn’t register on their radar tbh.

I think William and Kate's popularity on Instagram shows how popular they still are.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 16:04

ginasevern · 09/05/2024 16:00

So he treated his teenage wife like shit instead.

I don't think he had any intention to treat her like shit. I think they were just not suited to each other. Charles said they both tried - they must have done as they had two sons. Diana was headstrong and unstable and Charles couldn't cope with it. At least he was consistent - he had one lover, the love of his life whom he wasn't allowed to marry. How many men, including married ones, did Diana shag? Do you not think that was hurtful to Charles too?

Two sides to every story.

wordler · 09/05/2024 16:05

Vastlyoverrated · 09/05/2024 15:59

Andrew is a different story as he has a lifetime lease but surely KC would have pressed him to relinquish that lease if he'd been found guilty of a sexual assault in a civil trial? Carry on living in it, I think not!

I wouldn't be embarrassed if someone took a photo with Harry and my Royal Self in it, Harry is my son even if he is a plonker. I would be acutely embarrassed if I, the King, was in the same photoframe as Andrew as at the very least he is friends with a paedophile and possibly worse. This is how he should be thinking!

I suspect that letting Andrew stay in Royal Lodge is a way of keeping him contained and monitored. It’s probably one of the main leverages Charles has to keep his brother in line. Also now he’d look like an uncaring monster to make Fergie move during her cancer journey while he’s also going through that.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 16:07

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 15:15

I am agreeing. Charles is the King. His son Harry can not expect his father to meet him for a coffee. He can see him on TV like everyone else.

Absolutely. He can. Just as he deserves.

ginasevern · 09/05/2024 16:09

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 16:04

I don't think he had any intention to treat her like shit. I think they were just not suited to each other. Charles said they both tried - they must have done as they had two sons. Diana was headstrong and unstable and Charles couldn't cope with it. At least he was consistent - he had one lover, the love of his life whom he wasn't allowed to marry. How many men, including married ones, did Diana shag? Do you not think that was hurtful to Charles too?

Two sides to every story.

He was already shagging Parker Bowles and had zero itention of stopping when he made his marriage vows to Diana. I think that's a pretty good definition of shit.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 16:09

Eieiom · 09/05/2024 15:20

I think it looks terrible to be honest.
Lots of the royal family have had scandals equally big or even worse than Harry's tell all book and they're all still in the circle. It's well known that many of the RF feed stories to the media/royal correspondents so I don't see it at any different. It's almost more honest than the backroom briefings that have been going on, even though it was a silly thing to do.

Just looking at all the negative press about Harry and about whether he was booed etc. at the Invictus meeting, and his obvious discomfort in front of the public, it makes me think less of the rest of the family for not engaging with him a little publicly to calm down the frothy media speculation and kill the story of the impasse.

The only one I think less of is Harry, Oh and his scheming wife.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 16:10

ginasevern · 09/05/2024 16:09

He was already shagging Parker Bowles and had zero itention of stopping when he made his marriage vows to Diana. I think that's a pretty good definition of shit.

Evidence?

Lifeomars · 09/05/2024 16:10

WhataPlank · 09/05/2024 11:13

The solution is for them all to step down. We've outgrown having a royal family

Completely agree, it infantilises us as a county, all this endless speculation, "royal experts", silly chatter on morning TV, spite filled commentators on some of the more niche TV stations. They could lead very pleasant lives as private citizens and I am sure this would much healthier for them as people.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 16:15

Vastlyoverrated · 09/05/2024 15:47

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the optics are bad when King Charles can't make time to have a quick friendly non-public meeting with Harry and has taken Frogmore cottage away, but allows Andrew to live in his palatial mansion still and Andrew is seen out and about with the Royal Family (even if he is not an 'active' member) at funerals, in church and so on. I think Charles does need to lead the way on forgiveness and being welcome, at least on a personal level, to Harry given he hasn't been accused of a crime nor has he had his trial settled with payments from his mum.

Why do you feel the need to compare him with Andrew? More whataboutery.

Ooof · 09/05/2024 16:16

SpeedyDrama · 09/05/2024 11:47

Harry isn’t ‘full of lies’. Even if you don’t believe his personal ‘behind closed doors’ stories, there’s plenty to say how ill treated he’s been by his parents and the public since he was a child. Imagine spending your childhood not only watching your parents cheat on each other, openly show distain, divorce, interviews about said cheating and how the woman who would become your future step mother/queen was instrumental in the marriage being a failure from day one and to top it off how all of this had the supposedly Royal loving Brits question your heritage and turn your right to be seen as a Royal at all into a crude joke?

He has been mistreated by two selfish parents, putting all royalty aside. He has a right to say ‘I was screwed up by people who should have had my back, especially knowing my whole life from the moment I was born would be scrutinised’. I don’t think anyone has the right to tell him or anyone who had a rough childhood to ‘shut up and get over it’ however ‘diamond shoes too tight’ it’s seems to MN (or fuckwits like Piers Morgan).

I would disagree that Harry was ill treated by the public.
He was always the favourite, the majority of the public adored him, he could do no wrong.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 16:18

Sloejelly · 09/05/2024 15:40

If I don’t let my family know months in advance that I am visiting their area, they are quite likely to be engaged, away, working, generally busy and not able to see me. Even more so during school holidays and long weekends. None of our diaries would be as full as Charles’ and none of us are undergoing cancer treatment.

The question is not why was Charles not available to meet him. But why hasn’t he arranged to visit sometime when Charles was free?

Exactly this. Harry could have come over at any time, but he didn't. He tags a quick visit onto an engagement of his own, other than the publicity-seeking dash over when Charles's cancer was diagnosed.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 16:20

Ooof · 09/05/2024 16:16

I would disagree that Harry was ill treated by the public.
He was always the favourite, the majority of the public adored him, he could do no wrong.

Harry was one of the most popular royals!! I wish people would stick to facts at least in their weak arguments!

DrJonesIpresume · 09/05/2024 16:24

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 14:29

You are right. Charles had a 3 hour garden party to attend. He could not possibly meet with his son for a quick coffee. What a ridiculous suggestion.

Someone of that age, with those health issues, and all the other stuff that needs doing that only a king can do (whatever they may be), might not have felt up to the challenge of meeting the prodigal son.

How do we know they hadn't spoken on the phone anyway?

How do we know whether or not KC said to H that he was available during x and y times, and H was only available at time z?

Did H check before he came to see if Dad was available? We have relatives from the States who book tickets and fly over here, and expect us to drop everything to fit in with their plans. We can't always do that, and they get quite miffed. They never check dates with us beforehand.

We all know that recollections can vary, and at times it appears that H's recollections have been very variable.

Anyway, it is a load of tosh written to fill up the tabloids and stir up their readers into an indignant froth, so the whole shebang is ridiculous if you ask me. Why people care I shall never know.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 09/05/2024 16:26

I think Harry has blown it by writing his books, Oprah interview, Netflix etc etc etc
Whatever happened to leaving the country due to lack of privacy?!
Personally I feel Meghan mistook the Royal Family for Celebrities and didn't like it when she wasn't in the spotlight
Very sad that Harry lost his DM at such a young age, but he seems angry and hell bent on revenge and bitterness
I have a lot of respect for King Charles and I think Camilla is the love of his life
Harry can't accept this, and even though his DF has cancer, I feel he is uncompromising and Still wants an apology!
If he was mine, I wouldn't trust him to keep conversations to himself plus Chemotherapy is debilitating and at 75, Charles possibly just CBA with the drama
Harry is his own worst enemy.

blacksax · 09/05/2024 16:28

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 16:20

Harry was one of the most popular royals!! I wish people would stick to facts at least in their weak arguments!

Well he was popular... until he turned out to be a twat.

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 16:28

@DrJonesIpresume Harry asked to meet Charles, Charles said he was too busy. Harry said publicly he understands Charles is a busy man. Like me he understands why a father would be too busy to meet his son for a quick coffee. He is King after all!!

PrestonHood121 · 09/05/2024 16:29

They are all selfish idiots. But that doesn’t excuse Harry’s actions as a grown man, selling his family out for money and not expecting to deal with the consequences of that. Maybe he did and he doesn’t care? It’s all fun and games until nobody trusts him and cuts him off.

BIossomtoes · 09/05/2024 16:29

ginasevern · 09/05/2024 16:00

So he treated his teenage wife like shit instead.

He never had a teenage wife. They were married after her 20th birthday.

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