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Can't help thinking King Charles is selfish

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Eieiom · 09/05/2024 11:12

Standing back, looking at the Harry situation, I can't help thinking that Charles is the root of all the family toxicity.

He had an affair while married to Diana, which led to their divorce and much unhappiness on her side. After her early death, his children were obviously in a lot of pain. The remote parenting style of the RF probably did little to soften this.
He's managed to marry his affair partner and now he's cutting off one of his sons.
Harry just looks like a really hurt person acting out to me. In most families, they would just be tolerated and forgiven.
I think the RF look very cold.

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Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 15:26

ginasevern · 09/05/2024 13:51

He wasn't forced to marry anyone. He could have been honest, left the RF and married Camilla. It wouldn't be the first time, remember Edward VIII - and he was King. Yes, it would have been really, really tough and everyone would've hated him etc, etc, etc but it was far from impossible.

Instead of which he let the unworldly 19 year old virgin go through all of that and carried on having his wonderfully misogynistic cake and eat it. I shouldn't cry your eyes out about his hard life.

And look at the fallout from the abdication! I don't think the RF could have let that happen again. Bear in mind to that heirs to the throne are brought up with a huge sense of their destiny and their duty. The Queen Mother would have been apoplectic at the very idea, and Charles was apparently very close to her. He wouldn't have done that to her.

wordler · 09/05/2024 15:26

Eieiom · 09/05/2024 15:20

I think it looks terrible to be honest.
Lots of the royal family have had scandals equally big or even worse than Harry's tell all book and they're all still in the circle. It's well known that many of the RF feed stories to the media/royal correspondents so I don't see it at any different. It's almost more honest than the backroom briefings that have been going on, even though it was a silly thing to do.

Just looking at all the negative press about Harry and about whether he was booed etc. at the Invictus meeting, and his obvious discomfort in front of the public, it makes me think less of the rest of the family for not engaging with him a little publicly to calm down the frothy media speculation and kill the story of the impasse.

I really believe that if Harry hadn’t waded into Canadian politics surrounding First Nation issues without any official capacity during the winter Invictus games, and now this very iffy Nigerian trip then Charles would have done a short private visit with him.

I think William is fully NC with him though.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 15:28

Iloveyoubut · 09/05/2024 14:02

I agree, the whole family is toxin, it would be impossible not to be in their roles imo and Harty done the best thing for his own mental health and that of his childrens by leaving them to it.

If only he had just "left them to it"!!!!

Sloejelly · 09/05/2024 15:29

Should Charles have stood up hundreds of people attending his garden party to meet with a son during the tiny window his son had made himself available to meet him? A son who is hardly holding down a full time job or has to save up for plane tickets? And also a son who cannot be trusted not to use the meeting to pad out another celebrity interview?

No.

MaidOfSteel · 09/05/2024 15:29

Harry is a middle-aged man with his own family. He needs to grow up and let go completely if it makes him so unhappy. Become a US citizen, dispense with all things royal and get on with his own life. I reckon he'd be much happier.

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 15:30

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 14:03

You are right. A father can not be expected to set aside half an hour to meet his son without receiving the request months in advance.

Not just any father - father and King!

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 15:31

MaidOfSteel · 09/05/2024 15:29

Harry is a middle-aged man with his own family. He needs to grow up and let go completely if it makes him so unhappy. Become a US citizen, dispense with all things royal and get on with his own life. I reckon he'd be much happier.

Of course he wouldn't - it's his royal status that he makes money from. And if he was that upset about it all, why give his children titles?

He wants to have his cake and eat it.

Mrsjayy · 09/05/2024 15:31

wordler · 09/05/2024 15:26

I really believe that if Harry hadn’t waded into Canadian politics surrounding First Nation issues without any official capacity during the winter Invictus games, and now this very iffy Nigerian trip then Charles would have done a short private visit with him.

I think William is fully NC with him though.

That Canadian thing was weird he really thought he could be some sort of "Guardian" of Canada I think all his petulant behaviour stemmed from this , he really wanted that half in half out thing for them.

AnnieSF · 09/05/2024 15:35

honeybeetheoneandonly · 09/05/2024 15:22

I very much doubt Harry is saddened not being able to see his dad.

You can see though how happy he is to see his Uncle at the service. He looks like a desperate puppy.

RazzlePuff · 09/05/2024 15:36

Charles has gotten older and not wiser.

He’s the same selfish dog who married Diana for all the wrong reasons.
Charles the same dirty dog, dogging married Cami and wanting to be her tampon.
The same dog ignored his kids, parenting in obligation only and photo ops.
He should have had every opportunity to support his kids emotionally, but decided not to. He saw Diana do it, but he didn’t make an effort.

Charles left many damaged in his wake as he pursued his selfish desires.

The public never hears a peep from Camilla’s family, how they were destroyed. Why. Because her son is the Food editor at Daily Mail. All DM says about Camilla & hers is flattery because they are on DM media payroll.

IMO - Charles worst parent.

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 15:37

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 15:14

Yeah K & W were sent - M & H have chosen to go! There's the difference!

They could have chosen not to go. They were trying to improve relations and instead made them worse.

AnnieSF · 09/05/2024 15:39

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 14:56

So Charles is never going to meet Harry again? He has gone no contact with one of his sons?

You say that as if it is a problem and that people never go NC.

Hairychops77892 · 09/05/2024 15:39

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 15:19

Well tough shit, it's not happening.

Not yet maybe but there’s always hope! 😀

None of my young adult children could name or care less about the RF tbh! They could recognise the late Queen but not many more and we used to be a forces family! The monarchy just doesn’t register on their radar tbh.

Sloejelly · 09/05/2024 15:40

SluggyMuggy · 09/05/2024 15:09

@Runnerinthenight You are right. Harry flew over for two days. He was totally unreasonable to expect his father to meet him for a coffee. Harry should have flown over for a few weeks so that Charles could find half an hour spare to meet his son.

If I don’t let my family know months in advance that I am visiting their area, they are quite likely to be engaged, away, working, generally busy and not able to see me. Even more so during school holidays and long weekends. None of our diaries would be as full as Charles’ and none of us are undergoing cancer treatment.

The question is not why was Charles not available to meet him. But why hasn’t he arranged to visit sometime when Charles was free?

Mirabai · 09/05/2024 15:41

Runnerinthenight · 09/05/2024 15:31

Of course he wouldn't - it's his royal status that he makes money from. And if he was that upset about it all, why give his children titles?

He wants to have his cake and eat it.

How else is he going to make money?

He had to make his own way and pay $$$$ for security. What does he have to sell but the Crown Jewels? His only training is as a soldier.

The palace may have considered the damage a disgruntled employee could do to the firm if they let him go and brief against them. Very poor management on their part.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 09/05/2024 15:46

EatMoreFibre · 09/05/2024 11:41

Couldn't agree more OP. This is a very bad look for KC. Didn't he okay a biography where he openly criticised the queen and the way he was brought up? Tell-all books for the Windsors are hardly new.

Not exactly forced. He could have given up his 'royalty' and stood down from being in line for the throne. He chose royalty over love. Same with Princess Margaret.
Totally. Royals have abdicated before and the world didn't end. It's called having integrity.

You think abdicated Edward, fan of Hitler, had integrity? That’s a novel idea.

gocompare · 09/05/2024 15:47

WhataPlank · 09/05/2024 11:13

The solution is for them all to step down. We've outgrown having a royal family

This totally.

There have been too many scandals now. I think it's time for them to step down.

Vastlyoverrated · 09/05/2024 15:47

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the optics are bad when King Charles can't make time to have a quick friendly non-public meeting with Harry and has taken Frogmore cottage away, but allows Andrew to live in his palatial mansion still and Andrew is seen out and about with the Royal Family (even if he is not an 'active' member) at funerals, in church and so on. I think Charles does need to lead the way on forgiveness and being welcome, at least on a personal level, to Harry given he hasn't been accused of a crime nor has he had his trial settled with payments from his mum.

wordler · 09/05/2024 15:48

Mrsjayy · 09/05/2024 15:31

That Canadian thing was weird he really thought he could be some sort of "Guardian" of Canada I think all his petulant behaviour stemmed from this , he really wanted that half in half out thing for them.

It was particularly inappropriate considering the current Canadian representative for the Crown is an indigenous woman - he totally undermined her by not including her in the event or at least his comments to the tribal leaders.

He’s really not qualified to be wading into political spaces without better advisors - diplomats rather than PR experts.

Sloejelly · 09/05/2024 15:50

Why are so many posters expecting Charles change arrangements to meet Harry, and not for Harry (a free agent) to change arrangements to meet Charles (the King)?

Hairychops77892 · 09/05/2024 15:51

Vastlyoverrated · 09/05/2024 15:47

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the optics are bad when King Charles can't make time to have a quick friendly non-public meeting with Harry and has taken Frogmore cottage away, but allows Andrew to live in his palatial mansion still and Andrew is seen out and about with the Royal Family (even if he is not an 'active' member) at funerals, in church and so on. I think Charles does need to lead the way on forgiveness and being welcome, at least on a personal level, to Harry given he hasn't been accused of a crime nor has he had his trial settled with payments from his mum.

Yes totally agree and btw that’s far too pragmatic and sensible a post for the royal board Vastlyoverrated 😀

Sunnyandsilly · 09/05/2024 15:53

That you megs? Read spare and beleived every word. Thanks for the elevator version. 😂

Anonymous2025 · 09/05/2024 15:53

He is a terrível parent . The way he behaves is enough to know that at least part of what Harry says is true .
To be fair he comes a cross as a self entitled awful human being too .

Sloejelly · 09/05/2024 15:53

has taken Frogmore cottage away, but allows Andrew to live in his palatial mansion still

Frogmore cottage that was standing empty and hadn’t been lived in for a couple of years, versus the mansion Andrew and Sarah (also getting treatment for cancer) had lived in and were continuing to live in?

GreenTreeFlower · 09/05/2024 15:54

If they had any morals at all
They could all step down, return and lot of the land their forefathers 'acquired' and get on with their lives out of the public eye. They would still
Be wealthy beyond anyone's dreams.

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