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Men should do the chasing

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Verucasalt123 · 08/05/2024 16:47

Am I the only one who thinks the word chase is vile.
I don't want a man to 'chase' me, I want something mutual and reciprocal. It's on here all the time, people proudly proclaiming their man chased them for weeks, initiated and planned every date, turned up with flowers and so on.

The same people would rather die than double text or initiate anything first with a man. I've had friends absolutely horrified that I had asked men out because apparently that's their job.

I'm not advocating anybody chases anybody, but I think trying hard with someone who clearly isn't interested is a waste of time.

People who have this idea about traditional gender roles, I'd like to know if that continues throughout the relationship too? Are the women expected to do most of the domestic chores because that's the woman's job?

I really don't believe that every man loves the chase. Certainly some do, but that's them.

Also, once he's 'won' his prize, do you then show more interest and affection once he knows he's got you? Will he not get bored once the chase is over?

Honestly I'm single so what do I know, but I'd rather do so than partake in this chase bullshit.

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User135644 · 11/05/2024 22:17

zendeveloper · 08/05/2024 18:52

Thinking of all couples I knew, I don't know any successful ones where the woman did the initial chasing.

Because it rarely happens. For most men if they don't make the first move, or ask women out, they'll never meet anyone.

Beezknees · 11/05/2024 22:27

Upinthenightagain · 10/05/2024 19:50

old fashioned but very true. Some things don’t change.

It is not true at all. It's bollocks.

nfkl · 12/05/2024 11:42

If you want to be chased you'll only end up dating men who are good at chasing. They've most likely perfected that art through practice, i.e. serial dating.

That’s not the case.
Serial daters play the numbers thanks to apps. It’s not about pursuing one woman with insistence anymore, but trying it out with many. A woman who can take a step back at the start and will not be wooed by their verbal love bombing or superficial gestures, they ll opt out.

Make the guys make the first steps so you can observe how they treat you and handle themselves. Give zero time, emotional energy, effort or thought until the guy comes with an overture/invitation that satisfies ALL your standards, don’t settle for any other attempt he makes ‘to see where it goes’, because you’re fooled by his words, your feelings, the magic of the moment. Only pay attention to his actions.

That is very unappealing to serial daters and sleazes, whose ambition by nature is to get the goods with as little effort, respect or affection they can get away with.

But a woman who is “just herself”, spontaneous, wears her heart on her sleeve, ready to see the good in everything, so kind she doesn’t observe a guy or has any reserve or awareness of her standards, they thrive on that. That, they will pretend to pursue for a reasonable amount of time.

Because even if it takes more than one date to have her, she’s easy to them because she s an open book, she s giving them the script, and if she takes the initiatives as well, skips steps and saves him all the work, even better. They just have not to eff it up and make the right noises until she caves in, that’s all.

Don’t be an open book with your emotions. Make no effort, practical or emotional. Don’t explain your expectations to them, let them figure it out.
Only his actions matter, words, feelings, circumstances, no. Be aware of your standards, respect your dreams.
Don’t reciprocate anything until he comes with a gesture that meets all your standards. Unless you have enormous resilience and self-confidence, let him prove himself first.

And the easiest, safest way is to let him do the first steps. When left to himself to make things happen and seduce you, how does he do it? The more space and the less help or explanations you give, the better you will see him for who he is.

It’s not passiveness or faking or retrograde, it’s observation. It’s not the relationship, it’s before, it’s vetting.

And considering the not too great quality of the dating pool, and the many low lives or even dangerous men you can meet, that so many strong and intelligent women like MNers seem to reject or deeply misunderstand what this observation round is made for and how necessary it is for women not to be played, not to have their time, attention and energy wasted, not to be put in unsavoury/dangerous situations or settle for less than they want, in the name of being yourself, following your impulse, being modern etc., it’s so weird.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 12/05/2024 17:12

That sounds fucking exhausting.

Men should do the chasing
Thursdaygirl · 12/05/2024 17:36

With the ‘don’t accept a date for Saturday after Wednesday’ I take that to mean if a man wants to take you out on a Saturday he should make arrangements promptly in the week to ensure you don’t make other plans first?

So whilst I get the principle of this, maybe Friday lunchtime would be a better cut-off point rather than Wednesday? No point in cutting off your nose to spite your face?

ageratum1 · 12/05/2024 17:41

Ot is biology isn't it! A man can procreate with hundreds of women a year, whereas a woman only one baby every couple of years.Logically then the male has to impress/ pursue a female!

Beezknees · 12/05/2024 18:01

nfkl · 12/05/2024 11:42

If you want to be chased you'll only end up dating men who are good at chasing. They've most likely perfected that art through practice, i.e. serial dating.

That’s not the case.
Serial daters play the numbers thanks to apps. It’s not about pursuing one woman with insistence anymore, but trying it out with many. A woman who can take a step back at the start and will not be wooed by their verbal love bombing or superficial gestures, they ll opt out.

Make the guys make the first steps so you can observe how they treat you and handle themselves. Give zero time, emotional energy, effort or thought until the guy comes with an overture/invitation that satisfies ALL your standards, don’t settle for any other attempt he makes ‘to see where it goes’, because you’re fooled by his words, your feelings, the magic of the moment. Only pay attention to his actions.

That is very unappealing to serial daters and sleazes, whose ambition by nature is to get the goods with as little effort, respect or affection they can get away with.

But a woman who is “just herself”, spontaneous, wears her heart on her sleeve, ready to see the good in everything, so kind she doesn’t observe a guy or has any reserve or awareness of her standards, they thrive on that. That, they will pretend to pursue for a reasonable amount of time.

Because even if it takes more than one date to have her, she’s easy to them because she s an open book, she s giving them the script, and if she takes the initiatives as well, skips steps and saves him all the work, even better. They just have not to eff it up and make the right noises until she caves in, that’s all.

Don’t be an open book with your emotions. Make no effort, practical or emotional. Don’t explain your expectations to them, let them figure it out.
Only his actions matter, words, feelings, circumstances, no. Be aware of your standards, respect your dreams.
Don’t reciprocate anything until he comes with a gesture that meets all your standards. Unless you have enormous resilience and self-confidence, let him prove himself first.

And the easiest, safest way is to let him do the first steps. When left to himself to make things happen and seduce you, how does he do it? The more space and the less help or explanations you give, the better you will see him for who he is.

It’s not passiveness or faking or retrograde, it’s observation. It’s not the relationship, it’s before, it’s vetting.

And considering the not too great quality of the dating pool, and the many low lives or even dangerous men you can meet, that so many strong and intelligent women like MNers seem to reject or deeply misunderstand what this observation round is made for and how necessary it is for women not to be played, not to have their time, attention and energy wasted, not to be put in unsavoury/dangerous situations or settle for less than they want, in the name of being yourself, following your impulse, being modern etc., it’s so weird.

Again, a whole lot of rubbish.

Thursdaygirl · 12/05/2024 18:45

Although dating and marriage seemed a lot less traumatic in my grandmother’s day, when no respectable woman would ever have made the first move!

Beezknees · 12/05/2024 18:48

Thursdaygirl · 12/05/2024 18:45

Although dating and marriage seemed a lot less traumatic in my grandmother’s day, when no respectable woman would ever have made the first move!

Ah yes, back in the days of acceptable misogyny where many women had to stay in abusive relationships because they had no money of their own and divorce was shameful. So idyllic.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 12/05/2024 21:33

Beezknees · 12/05/2024 18:48

Ah yes, back in the days of acceptable misogyny where many women had to stay in abusive relationships because they had no money of their own and divorce was shameful. So idyllic.

What liberated women was primarily the advent of the pill, the tampon and the washing machine.
Men are probably as misogynistic as they ever were. Indeed recent evidence seems to be that young men are more misogynistic than their fathers.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 12/05/2024 21:36

Thursdaygirl · 12/05/2024 18:45

Although dating and marriage seemed a lot less traumatic in my grandmother’s day, when no respectable woman would ever have made the first move!

My grandma had to hide at a relative's house as a "suitor" planned to kidnap her ,keep her for the night, thus having her reputation "ruined" and then marry her. She was 16. Soooo romantic. Confused

IbisDancer · 12/05/2024 21:50

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 12/05/2024 21:33

What liberated women was primarily the advent of the pill, the tampon and the washing machine.
Men are probably as misogynistic as they ever were. Indeed recent evidence seems to be that young men are more misogynistic than their fathers.

Add the flushing toilet to that list..chamber pots blergh

Aswellisnotoneword · 13/05/2024 03:26

@nfkl I'm not going to quote all that stuff you posted, but I heartily disagree.

Firstly, you seem to be conflating two things - one is having (and maintaining) standards and boundaries, which everyone should do while dating. The other is game playing and making the whole thing one sided. It's possible to be yourself, and be direct and honest about relationships while also being very choosy about who you date.

Secondly, you are advocating that men persist in pursuing women who are deliberately making themselves seem distant and disinterested. That is a dreadful dynamic, and only encourages men to think that 'no I'm not interested' actually translates to 'you just need to try harder'. No wonder so many women get harassed by men, and so many men can't take NO for an answer.

nfkl · 13/05/2024 09:05

Sorry, but you re the one who misunderstands it all with “only serial daters make the effort of pursuing a woman”

Baffling.

Aswellisnotoneword · 14/05/2024 00:19

nfkl · 13/05/2024 09:05

Sorry, but you re the one who misunderstands it all with “only serial daters make the effort of pursuing a woman”

Baffling.

Yes, you obviously are quite baffled, because that's not what I said at all.

I said that the ones who have the chasing game down pat have had some practice at it.

Out of interest, what's your experience of dating in this century? I'm keen to hear if your strategies have been successful.

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