To be tired of these types of comments on social media?

[AngeloMysterioso]

Having a scroll through instagram whilst bf-ing.

Now don’t get me wrong, I know what’s going on in the world and I do follow a few “serious” accounts. But I mostly follow the less serious things because it’s just bloody instagram.

I’m just getting tired of seeing so many comments on pictures posted by, say, Vogue Magazine or Rolling Stone, saying “meanwhile in Gaza” “can’t believe you’re posting this pointless crap when there’s a war happening” “Rafah is being bombed and y’all care about the Met Gala?” etc etc.

We know what’s happening in Gaza. We know it’s fucking awful. I hold my children close every day and feel thankful that we’re here and not there. But it’s ok not to be thinking about it ALL THE TIME, and nobody turns to fashion and showbiz accounts on social media for hard hitting geopolitical content!

AIBU to think these people could just… give it a rest?

You're the one linking my rhetorical question and belief to Jewish people, the holocaust and anti-semitism.

Btw, this thread is about Palestine, not Jewish people, the holocaust or anti-semitism, so a fair question is what have these to do with a question about people commenting on Palestine?

I said in a comment about Jewish people having a book of remembrance and you made a facetious comment about “Will the people of Rafah have one?!” implying that it somehow relates to random Jewish people. I know an antisemite when I see one

Do you think the hostages Hamas have been raping and killing will have a book of remembrance?

to answer your question - if you’d bothered reading my post I said that these celebrities whose views are demanded about Gaza perhaps want to distance themselves from the very clear ever increasing anti-semitism that is becoming associated with the movement. I gave an example of the movement being used by anti-semites. It’s really not hard to figure out

It's hard to figure out how you divine the 'facetious' nature of my comment without knowing me.

Proudly anti-Zionist and absolutely loathing the never-ending attempts to equate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism.

Proudly anti-Putin, and yet continuing to feel empathy for Russian people.

Similar to me (and millions of others) being anti-Nazi without being anti-German.

Not that difficult to understand, is it?

Exactly but whatever the latest in thing to have outpouring of faux rage /sympathy brigade have moved on and many have no understanding of the situations they comment on.the I struggled to put on my makeup because what's happening in Rafah then put up reels pouting and preening..... here's an idea ... just fuck off vapid fools.

YANBU, OP. These people are simply showing off how caring and sensitive and “in tune” with the world they believe they are; how their focus is on Very Important Things at all times. They care about “real issues” - and god forbid they could do that without telling everyone else how inane and vacuous they are because they dared to watch Coronation Street or comment on a social media meme (or indeed post on Mumsnet on a topic considered trivial by comparison).

It's funny how these people, who are so quick to criticise anyone not spending their entire time and energy on worrying about or providing running commentary on Gaza, Ukraine or whatever the current big topic is, always have time to trawl through social media in order to make these comments. THAT is not a waste of time at all, apparently.

This is a great point- why are THEY on instagram in the first place if it's so shallow- they could be out campaigning, volunteering, donating etc. But no, they are just sitting on their arses criticising others scrolling the same social media they criticise.

Its important to be aware of world events but its equally important not to be obsessed with seeking out bad news- if we spent every second of our lives dwelling on world atrocities we'd all be extremely depressed, human brains arent designed to do that, its not healthy. As with everything, balance is key.

it’s just… I mean… aren’t these people exhausted? Having that much righteous indignation all the time must get tiring…

No. They arent exhausted because they dont really care about them- if they did they'd be out taking action and wouldnt be wasting their time on those accounts on SM in the first place. Thats not their motive, their motive is to seem virtuous and morally superior to others- it's narcism. The people I know who actually do things for their community go out and do it, they dont spend their time attacking others online. It's all fake concern to look good to others.

It would be if they actually cared. It's very easy to type out a few platitudes and watch the 'likes' come in.

Or people who comment under newspaper articles ' is this news?' Or ' Who?'. Just don't read it. It's always men who do it on female orientated stories too. I manage to hardly ever accidentally read the sports pages and be accidentally outraged that football transfers are being discussed, but some people can't seem to work out how to scroll past the lifestyle section of a paper, or not click on a story about the Met Gala.

The funniest one is "why do you even care?"- well, clearly YOU cared enough to comment on it as well so you also care about them caring too! The opposite of caring is ignoring it completely. I dont comment on things I dont care about.

They are the same people who want to ' just stopnoil' but don't want to reduce their own energy use to the extent it needs to becreduced informer for us to only rely on renewables- so no holidays to Barbados paid for by mummy and daddy, no ' work' freebies in Dubai ( built on the profits of oil) no selling throwaway crap on Instagram shipped over from China, no car, much reduced time on the internet, no new phones/fast fashion etc. Just type a message. Much easier.

It’s funny isn’t it. People who speak up on their platforms are criticised because they get told they are too ignorant to comment on the issue. People who just post to raise awareness on other posts get told stop doing that we don’t want to hear about it on this account why don’t you go out and do something that will actually make a difference. People who go out on the marches and protests get told you’re disrupting everyone and making people uncomfortable and no one can go shopping on a Saturday afternoon why are you affecting normal people who can do nothing rather than those who can. People who just boycott companies in BDS get told they shouldn’t and it’s ineffective. The people who actually try and effect change (eg the student encampments to get their universities to divest from arming Israel) get told they are violent for sitting in tents trying to make a point and should make their concerns known at the ballot box. And then people who do make their opinion known at the ballot box get told how dare they let issues in the Middle East affect their vote rather than their bin collections or LTN rules.

And all the while terrible things are happening and atrocities are occurring. Rafah the last safe place is being attacked and mass graves are being discovered in hospitals full of doctors and patients. Every single type of person mentioned above is better than all the sneering sniffy commenters on this thread. It’s the people who ask for change and demand change that make it. Not a single bit of progress from workers rights to women’s votes to the end of apartheid would have happened without outrage and protest and I honestly don’t give a rats arse that your mindless scrolling is being disturbed by the odd commenter posting Palestine flags because clearly you aren’t seeing the children crushed by rubble or ripped to shreds that some of us are seeing because the only way to show people what’s happening is social media.

No doubt I’ll now get called sanctimonious and virtue signalling because I want more outrage on a genocide that has been sanctioned by every Western nation.

I’m just getting tired of seeing so many comments on pictures posted by, say, Vogue Magazine or Rolling Stone, saying “meanwhile in Gaza” “can’t believe you’re posting this pointless crap when there’s a war happening” “Rafah is being bombed and y’all care about the Met Gala?” etc etc

Yeah, I find the MET gala pretentious twaddle but of course Vogue etc are going to publish it because fashion is their business. Businesses arent going to stop posting their marketing strategies because wars are happening. If this were the case, no business would ever promote anything they were doing. There has never been a time in history where awful things werent happening. These people are thick as mince in my view.

The use of the phrase " whataboutery" is imagined by certain people to be a stone cold gotcha.
What it actually means is " this is the only thing you should care about and you'd better be on the "correct" side "

The thread is about people who say ' meanwhile in Gaza...' about every single thing. It is virtue signalling. Just like ' First Wirld Problems. It's done to make people feel superior to others. Not out of any real concern about Gaza. The student encampments, yes, they are doing something to pressurise people into stopping funding of Israel. Although they are also, in the US at least, stopping others from accessing education' people who can't afford to sacrifice their tuition fees, and crying about ' humanitarian aid' to their protest camp is pathetic and just demonstrates they have no idea what they are talking about. Voting for local councillors who's main purpose is to protest about Gaza is counterproductive, because these people are elected to work for local people, which they won't. Posting something on Istagram slagging off other peoples interests is counterproductive virtue signalling by people who couldn't care less about Gaza.

…that’s nice? Do you want a medal?

But I’ll ask again - why when I posted about an Auschwitz survivor looking for information on his parents in a book of remembrance did you bring Rafah into it? What’s the link? What promoted you to think “I’ll bring a completely separate Gaza related topic into this chat”. Do you do that on everything or only when people talk about Jews?

As for everything else - do you want a medal?
And what is wrong with Zionism? It’s the belief that Jewish people are entitled to their own state. WHY, when literally every tiger major religion on the land has numerous states of their own are you ONLY ‘anti’ Jewish people have a state of their own?
BTW you can be a Zionist and believe in a tow state solution, because Jewish people still then get their state. That’s certainly my viewpoint. So yes anti-a Zionism iIS anti-semitism because you actively believe that, despite Judaism being an ancient religion (and Jewish people being a race rather ran a religion) where Jewish people have spent millennia being exiled from their homes, they don’t deserve to have ONE SINGLE STATE.
Why not?

I bet none of these virtue signallers would volunteer to go out to Gaza and join the aid workers would they?
No didn't think so 😆

Agree with this.

I remember when the Russia/Ukraine war broke out and people who’d maybe spent 2 minutes reading a newspaper article were suddenly putting up Ukrainian flags and changing their Facebook frames. Which is fine, support what you like but these days it ALWAYS goes parallel with hating a new group. One of my best friends is Russian. She experienced SO much abuse and people expecting her (and her school aged children, who’d been raised in the U.K.) to give the world her opinion on the war. Her kids got horrendously bullied and it was almost as though she just had to expect it. She was worried about her elderly mum who was still living in Russia and struggling to travel and access money. She got lots of “Oh I’m sure it’s worse for the poor Ukrainians who wish they didn’t have to worry about travel”. Eventually my friend just stopped speaking to most people, friends, colleagues in the end. It’s like people HAVE to say “Look at me! I’m so kind, I support Ukraine” but it’s not valid unless they’re also demonstrating hate.

And how do we know they are men? Because they LOVE to tell us 😂😂

Except that’s not what this thread is about, at all. It’s saying “.I have these views, I DEMAND you have the same views, state them now otherwise I’m going to call you names”

because it’s also absolutely fine if people don’t give a shit about what’s happening in the Middle East. It’s the insistence that there’s only one way of thinking and if you shout loudest enough then your way is that one way

No, it’s questioning g why ONLY one area of the world is cared about or discussed when genocide is happening to the same kind of people on a different area.

Euros are just around the corner so be prepared for the "22 men chasing a ball around" posts from people thinking they're the first person to use that phrase

I think some (not all, before anyone jumps down my throat) people just really like going to protests. I've known people who don't seem to care what the protest is about, they just enjoy the atmosphere and the shouting and giving some sort of authority the finger.

If there's an opportunity to volunteer for a causes I feel strongly about, then I do it. I currently volunteer for two causes. I did a degree in one area I hope to implement change, so I'm now trying to make that cause my full time job. I have a friend who does the same. She used to go to protests a lot but she said not one of them made any difference, and that the only time she was making a real difference was when she did things like volunteering at sea for Sea Shepherd. So that's the sort of thing she does now. The sanctimonious 'but what about' and 'don't you care about' from people who wouldn't be prepared to actually do anything about it that involved anything more than going to a protest or making their avatar a flag really gets on my nerves.

No, it’s questioning g why ONLY one area of the world is cared about or discussed when genocide is happening to the same kind of people on a different area.

Completely agree. I have zero time for people whose outrage is solely confined to whatever is the latest fashionable cause. It's quite telling how little people care about the war crimes happening in Ethiopia or South Sudan, for example.

Yes and when we point it out we are told to STFU.

War is never, ever pretty or easy but the Israel/Palestinian conflict isn’t as black and white as it’s made out to be. Gaza’s government is a terrorist organisation that have committed horrific atrocities and it baffles me that people believe Israel don’t have the right to defend itself.

However in China there are Uyghur Muslim children being forcibly removed from the parents who are being put into concentration camps and are being tortured, for no reason other than religious hatred - the Uyghurs have never kidnapped any Chinese people or waged war or spread hate, they don’t have a government and just want to live peacefully…. and NO ONE cares because there isn’t a hashtag or emoji or , for some, an opportunity to hate Jewish people.

Some Uyghurs are fleeing to Turkey - if anyone wants to help them you can find out more here https://onenationuk.org/projects/help-the-uyghur?gadsource=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwi_exBhA8EiwA_kU1Mv_CDXJLYlJovmA0sn723HQfZA9hoJHmV4ztHcV3ADhBdEOoNovZ4RoCsw0QAvD_BwE