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To think most women on here hate men

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Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 18:45

Sorry for the rant but I’m noticing a pattern on mn, any post involving a man and a disagreement results in multiple calls of he’s a narcissist, he’s abusing, he’s controlling, leave the bastard!

I’ll admit that a list of posts do involve behaviour that is not nice from dh and dp. So many posts also can be interpreted in many ways too, I just feel like a large number of women jump to the worst conclusion first about a strangers partner, having only one side of a story told in a short version.

for anyone misunderstanding me, if a post says the partner is hurting physically, calling names, cheating, putting the op down, then yes I agree, ltb (so long as the post is true) it’s when a post says “great relationship, today partner upset me and we couldn’t see eye to eye” and everyone calls the poor guy a narcissist etc

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Catsmere · 09/05/2024 23:26

AbFabDaaaaahling · 09/05/2024 23:16

@taleasoldashoney She's angry and that's not healthy for anyone. Nothing to do with her being "successful" as many women indeed are.

Bullshit. What sort of person says it's unhealthy to be angry at injustice? Oh, I know - a misogynist who thinks women should smile and be silent.

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 23:27

I’ve noticed there’s actually a hate for boys on MN. Especially teenage boys.
I’ve seen threads describe Princess Diana as a ‘child bride’ just today when she married at 20, and have also recently seen a 15yo boy described as a ‘grown man’ 🙄

The different advice on teens in the same situations are shockingly different for the sexes too. If a teenage girls smack her mum across the face and calls her a cunt it’s a man’s or a teacher’s fault somewhere. If a teenage boy so much as holds a door open for a woman he’s a future sex offender. It’s just so ridiculous, the man hating (and yes OP there is some unreasonable hate for men here) has trickled down to boy hating. Pathetic

AbFabDaaaaahling · 09/05/2024 23:29

@Catsmere Nothing could be further from the truth. But I don't support blatant misandry. That's not feminism; that's unacceptable. Not in my name, thanks.

taleasoldashoney · 09/05/2024 23:34

YaMuvva · 09/05/2024 23:27

I’ve noticed there’s actually a hate for boys on MN. Especially teenage boys.
I’ve seen threads describe Princess Diana as a ‘child bride’ just today when she married at 20, and have also recently seen a 15yo boy described as a ‘grown man’ 🙄

The different advice on teens in the same situations are shockingly different for the sexes too. If a teenage girls smack her mum across the face and calls her a cunt it’s a man’s or a teacher’s fault somewhere. If a teenage boy so much as holds a door open for a woman he’s a future sex offender. It’s just so ridiculous, the man hating (and yes OP there is some unreasonable hate for men here) has trickled down to boy hating. Pathetic

If a teenage boy so much as holds a door open for a woman he’s a future sex offender.

I would love to see the thread that is the source for that claim

Catsmere · 09/05/2024 23:42

AbFabDaaaaahling · 09/05/2024 23:29

@Catsmere Nothing could be further from the truth. But I don't support blatant misandry. That's not feminism; that's unacceptable. Not in my name, thanks.

Given that "misandry" isn't a thing, I don't think you know much about feminism. It's women's liberation, and there's no requirement to Be Kind involved.

But as others have said, you're not engaging in good faith anyway.

Tanyahawkes · 09/05/2024 23:43

PamPamPamPam · 09/05/2024 23:24

@Tanyahawkes it's still happening the world over I'm afraid, and it makes me sad to think of everything we have missed out on as a society by men denying women education for so long. I wonder where we would be in terms of technological advances etc. if women had been able to take an active role in society?

That's the point I was making, in my family there has been a seismic shift in one generation, what could be achieved in say five generations in all families if girls' education was valued as highly as boys' education on a global scale?

Clear changes do still need to be ongoing in society, I’m presuming here so correct me if I’m wrong, your mum (if she was the one to make that decision, both parents if they made decision together) did good by you to break that cycle with education, as she should

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AbFabDaaaaahling · 09/05/2024 23:51

@Catsmere Oh of course there's not(!) You can just hate all men justifiably.
I think it's appalling that some women are giving the feminist movement a bad name by citing that women are more important than men and/or that men don't matter. You're not and they do.
Next you'll be telling me I can't possibly be a feminist because I'm in a heterosexual marriage.

Spywoman · 10/05/2024 00:25

Catsmere · 09/05/2024 23:42

Given that "misandry" isn't a thing, I don't think you know much about feminism. It's women's liberation, and there's no requirement to Be Kind involved.

But as others have said, you're not engaging in good faith anyway.

You're right. That poster is clearly not posting in good faith, so best not to engage.

The goading of an articulate and passionate poster with faux concern for their mental health gave it away.

I agree with you, the instruction to 'be kind' is so damaging and insidious. It seems so reasonable when you're growing up, I mean why shouldn't you be caring to others. Except when you see it's a trap designed to keep you from looking out for yourself and other women; it's only women and girls that are told this.

And once the scales fall, then you're told you're angry or mentally unstable. Which is another trap.

It's all about being made to be smaller.

And all those cool women that pass on the 'be kind' message, you're not making things better for lovely men. You're enabling the tossers, abusers and wankers.

I'm perfectly able to like, love and admire decent men. That doesn't stop me seeing that society is rigged in men's favour and there are many men that do want to debase and abuse women. Just go on a review site of female sex workers to see how some men really consider women. My experience of abusive men has enabled me to see red flags where they exist and I will continue to pass on that information because I wish someone had done that for me.

Believe it or not, I and many women on here can hold several viewpoints simultaneously without their head exploding.

AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 00:40

@Spywoman Fascinating that nobody has answered my question though, isn't it? Clearly I can't be a real feminist and love my husband. My bad.

Oneofthesurvivors · 10/05/2024 00:43

AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 00:40

@Spywoman Fascinating that nobody has answered my question though, isn't it? Clearly I can't be a real feminist and love my husband. My bad.

You didn't ask a question, you made a statement.

AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 00:47

@Oneofthesurvivors Yes indeed; I do apologise. I will take my statement to be correct considering nobody has suggested otherwise.

RogueFemale · 10/05/2024 00:49

Is this meant to be an example of a lovely, misunderstood man?

strangewomenlyinginponds · 10/05/2024 00:56

Oh my God is the OP STILL wittering on?! You asked. We answered. The vast majority believe you're wrong. For the love of God, find a new way to try to blame women for existing.

Oneofthesurvivors · 10/05/2024 01:00

AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 00:47

@Oneofthesurvivors Yes indeed; I do apologise. I will take my statement to be correct considering nobody has suggested otherwise.

Nobody gives a shit who you are married to.

AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 01:06

@Oneofthesurvivors Thank you for your wonderfully respectful reply. I thought as much. Vile.

strangewomenlyinginponds · 10/05/2024 01:21

Spywoman · 10/05/2024 00:25

You're right. That poster is clearly not posting in good faith, so best not to engage.

The goading of an articulate and passionate poster with faux concern for their mental health gave it away.

I agree with you, the instruction to 'be kind' is so damaging and insidious. It seems so reasonable when you're growing up, I mean why shouldn't you be caring to others. Except when you see it's a trap designed to keep you from looking out for yourself and other women; it's only women and girls that are told this.

And once the scales fall, then you're told you're angry or mentally unstable. Which is another trap.

It's all about being made to be smaller.

And all those cool women that pass on the 'be kind' message, you're not making things better for lovely men. You're enabling the tossers, abusers and wankers.

I'm perfectly able to like, love and admire decent men. That doesn't stop me seeing that society is rigged in men's favour and there are many men that do want to debase and abuse women. Just go on a review site of female sex workers to see how some men really consider women. My experience of abusive men has enabled me to see red flags where they exist and I will continue to pass on that information because I wish someone had done that for me.

Believe it or not, I and many women on here can hold several viewpoints simultaneously without their head exploding.

This is a great comment.

I'm married to a good man and have a kind, caring adult son. But since that's just irrelevant to the question asked I didn't try to make it the focus of a derailing comment.

The OP has received an overwhelming no to her question., and it's a fair no.

Being able to see reality and point out abusive behaviour does not equate to hating men.

The question is not Why do do many women point out male abuses, the question is Why are so many men abusive and how do we deal with it?

Knowledge is powerful, wise women sharing hard won wisdom is powerful and that's why misogynists and handmaidens find it unacceptable.

AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 01:26

@strangewomenlyinginponds There absolutely are women on here that hate all men. They don't even deny it!! Disgraceful. Not a case of they hate some men (and justifiably so). They literally hate all men.
It is absolutely relevant as I'm assuming a man-hating woman wouldn't be married to one?!

strangewomenlyinginponds · 10/05/2024 01:38

AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 01:26

@strangewomenlyinginponds There absolutely are women on here that hate all men. They don't even deny it!! Disgraceful. Not a case of they hate some men (and justifiably so). They literally hate all men.
It is absolutely relevant as I'm assuming a man-hating woman wouldn't be married to one?!

Nah. You're responding to a comment I didn't make, don't do that, derailing and responding to comments not made is a boring and obvious form of trolling.

As you know most women here don't hate men. Asked and answered. End.

AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 01:42

@strangewomenlyinginponds What comment didn't you make?
You said whether you are married to a man is irrelevant. I disagree.

Tanyahawkes · 10/05/2024 01:49

strangewomenlyinginponds · 10/05/2024 00:56

Oh my God is the OP STILL wittering on?! You asked. We answered. The vast majority believe you're wrong. For the love of God, find a new way to try to blame women for existing.

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What an I supposed to have done now? I’ve been asleep!

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strangewomenlyinginponds · 10/05/2024 01:50

AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 01:42

@strangewomenlyinginponds What comment didn't you make?
You said whether you are married to a man is irrelevant. I disagree.

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Nah. You're responding to a comment I didn't make, don't do that, derailing and responding to comments not made is a boring and obvious form of trolling.

As you know most women here don't hate men. Asked and answered. End.

strangewomenlyinginponds · 10/05/2024 01:51

Tanyahawkes · 10/05/2024 01:49

What an I supposed to have done now? I’ve been asleep!

As you know most women on here don't hate men.

Asked and answered.

Tanyahawkes · 10/05/2024 01:52

strangewomenlyinginponds · 10/05/2024 01:51

As you know most women on here don't hate men.

Asked and answered.

Why did you ask if I was still wittering on though, I had not been arguing for hours and was in fact asleep while some other people were arguing

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AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 01:52

@Tanyahawkes I think she may have sat on her phone; it appears to be doing some sort of weird copying and pasting.

Tanyahawkes · 10/05/2024 01:54

AbFabDaaaaahling · 10/05/2024 01:52

@Tanyahawkes I think she may have sat on her phone; it appears to be doing some sort of weird copying and pasting.

I’m all honesty I just wondering if the lady actually meant the people arguing their points about something, (I’m not even fully awake here, just woke to a weird noise outside that was invading my dream for who knows how long) and I am thinking I got the blame by accident

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