Muslim vote (the group, not people generally)

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I was looking at the list of 18 demands from Muslim Vote to Labour and on that list they had

18. Remove the archaic 'spiritual influence' offence from statute.'

I’m not being funny but they want clergy to be able to direct how people vote. Please tell me Labour are going to just ignore this, I’m not sure that many people want their Imam telling them how to vote either, I know if I were Muslim I’d just ignore him.

I have no particular strong feelings about the Israel stuff, it’s to be expected from the group but that one surprised me a bit.

“Muslims are not sheep that follow whatever religious leaders say.”
😂 literally followers of an organised religion! 😂

You do know it’s 2024, right?

Also LOL at Muslims bringing in democracy. Can you point to a single Muslim democracy that’s better than what we have here?
There isn’t a single Muslim run country that you could pay me to live in.

Yes, I do know. But the PP referred to 'centuries of Judeo-Christian blood and sweat.

Yes everyone’s killed everyone for centuries.

Let’s all have a sky fairies amnesty and live peacefully ever after eh? Focus on things like climate change that are real

Sky fairies? Let’s not forget good old communism for mass murder…

'Judeo-Christian blood and sweat?' It seems that it's Judeo-Christian when you want to exclude Muslims. Not sure about the Judeo part during those centuries when the Jews were kicked out of England!

For that matter, plenty of people over the centuries have been burned, beheaded, slaughtered in battle, or at best disenfranchised and excluded from jobs for being the wrong kinds of Christian.

And let's not forget the centuries where Britain depended to quite a degree on the 'blood and sweat' of an Empire. which included plenty of Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and other non-Christians.

Oh stop being melodramatic. No it's not because we want to exclude Muslims. It's just that they are relatively new to the west and centuries old traditions and history that evolved over time is what makes the west the west and east the east. We have our respective perspectives and sometimes they clash.

The british empire is a relatively recent event. The democracy you see in the west was forged before that and has continued to evolve. Up until recently, Britain (and other parts of the west were still predominantly judeo Christian tradition.

Would I be wrong if I said india was built by Hinduism etc? No so why take so much offence when we say it about Britain or the west?

And by the way, again double standards, Islam conquered all the Middle East (where did all other religious groups go?) and india for centuries not a couple of hundreds of years like Britain. Do you not think they beheaded and slaughtered their way round the world like Christians? And how are other non Muslims treated in Muslim countries, do they not have to pay extra tax, are their populations growing or declining? How many non Muslim get killed in Muslim country for alleged blasphemy?

How will Muslims be the catalyst, what happens?

And is there a Muslim country you’d prefer?

Yes. Non-theistic ideologies can be just as oppressive as theistic ones when co-opted and misused by authoritarians.

As we've seen, sections of the Left either love championing men over women or they are wilfully blind, whether or not religion is involved. It's as if all they need is a group that likes to intimidate and oppress women and they are all for it!

As PP said, Muslims who have tried to be catalysts for democracy in most of the Islamic world have been murdered or have had to escape ( many to the UK) to avoid being murdered, so how a tiny group of Muslims funded by the very people who have funded fundamentalist regimes all over the ME and fund terrorism the world over are going to be ' catalysts for democracy ' is some interesting mental gymnastics!

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I don't think that was what the PP said. They said they could be a catalyst in the UK.

So, where have Muslims been a catalyst for democracy in other countries?

Where has there ever been the idea or semblance of democracy? Let's just say we believe that terrorism is being funded, where was democracy even before this funded terrorism?

They do. Plus use everything they can to let women know they shouldn’t speak up.

Not sure how we got there but it’s sad to see.

What do you mean, it will make no difference?

I meant that my posting the whole of that paragraph rather than a sneakily edited version will make no difference to certain posters on this thread. The ones who believe that a Caliphate is "downloading" etc.