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To ask what the tories have ever done for us…

395 replies

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 04/05/2024 09:39

To compliment the thread about labour and give a bit of balance, let’s discuss the legacy of 14 years Conservative government. Never voted for them myself and although we now have 2 out of 3 Tory MPs up here because of the Brexit effect I haven’t seen any great improvement in our town. In fact if anything it’s pretty much gone to the dogs. So good and bad, what have they achieved ?

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Babyroobs · 04/05/2024 11:17

Linearforeignbody · 04/05/2024 09:56

All those furlough payments during COVID.
If it hadn’t been for that, many people would have lost jobs and businesses would have gone under.
People have short memories though.

Yes the furlough payments. Increase in Universal credit when actually many people had reduced costs as they weren't going anywhere, the covid vaccine programme which was rolled out quickly and efficiently ( although I guess NHS takes credit for that ).

2dogsandabudgie · 04/05/2024 11:17

Legalising gay marriage
Automatic pension enrollment

K0OLA1D · 04/05/2024 11:20

Linearforeignbody · 04/05/2024 09:56

All those furlough payments during COVID.
If it hadn’t been for that, many people would have lost jobs and businesses would have gone under.
People have short memories though.

Any government would have had to do that ffs. The country would have been in more of a ruin than it is now!

lotsofdogshere · 04/05/2024 11:22

introduced unnecessary austerity. Devastated public services.

Sneered at ‘so called experts’ , closed Sure Start centres and ruined preventive services. CAMHS and adult mental health, alcohol/drug teams demolished. Police 20,000 less
thats just some of the obvious horrors

MissyB1 · 04/05/2024 11:23

lotsofdogshere · 04/05/2024 11:22

introduced unnecessary austerity. Devastated public services.

Sneered at ‘so called experts’ , closed Sure Start centres and ruined preventive services. CAMHS and adult mental health, alcohol/drug teams demolished. Police 20,000 less
thats just some of the obvious horrors

And all of those things will take a couple of decades at least to fix 🙁 it’s fucking criminal when you think about it.

LlynTegid · 04/05/2024 11:25

Same sex marriage and the modern slavery legislation is about the only things I can think of.

MrsSkylerWhite · 04/05/2024 11:26

pointythings · Today 09:42
Marriage equality. That's it. Everything else has been about making things more and more shit

Yes and yes. Marriage equality was overdue. Technically, that was a different government, though?

InterestQ · 04/05/2024 11:30

I was very grateful for my £400 energy credit. And my £150 council tax rebate. I needed both.

CheshireCat1 · 04/05/2024 11:31

People using food banks, 2010 approx. 60,000 - 2023 approx. 3 million.

midgetastic · 04/05/2024 11:32

InterestQ · 04/05/2024 11:30

I was very grateful for my £400 energy credit. And my £150 council tax rebate. I needed both.

I hope that's irony - you shouldn't have been placed in the situation where you needed it

Mischance · 04/05/2024 11:32

Created a useless railway system.

K0OLA1D · 04/05/2024 11:33

InterestQ · 04/05/2024 11:30

I was very grateful for my £400 energy credit. And my £150 council tax rebate. I needed both.

They created the problem!? Do you not see that?

netballandchill · 04/05/2024 11:33

leamington66 · 04/05/2024 09:58

the economic response to covid was world class and copied by other countries. They kept many businesses running and protected millions of jobs.

furlough was a socialist policy and done to prevent civil unrest rather than altruistically

neverbeenskiing · 04/05/2024 11:35

Do those giving the Tories credit for "legalising gay marraige" not realise that scores of activists had been fighting tooth and nail for this since the 1960's, it was something that happened in incremental steps over decades not because of one act of Parliament. Labour helped to pave the way for marraige equality with the Civil Partnership Act in 2004 and when same sex marraige was eventually brought into law (under the Coalition government, not a Tory majority Government) over half of the Parliamentary Tory Party refused to support it. Don't get me wrong it's great that Cameron eventually found some semblance of a moral compass on this one specific issue but crediting the Tories with winning the fight for marraige equality is re-writing history.

ThreeFeetTall · 04/05/2024 11:36

Quantitive easing (aka printing money) is why they were able to afford furlough payments but it's fucked the economy by increasing inflation.
Gordon brown did it too in 2008 and I'm not sure what I would have done differently but it was not some genius move.
It helped lots of people and businesses in the short term though so that was good.

2dogsandabudgie · 04/05/2024 11:38

National living wage
Increase in tax free allowance

User2460177 · 04/05/2024 11:40

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 04/05/2024 10:15

@Linearforeignbody not everyone received furlough, something like 3.8 million self employed people were left to fend for themselves. A labour government would have responded in exactly the same way (but undoubtedly the right wing press would have banged on about magic money trees and scroungers). The vaccine roll out had zilch to do with Boris.

to be fair the government did control the vaccine rollout- just not accurate to say it had nothing to do with them. And a lot of self employed did get Covid help but not all.

BIossomtoes · 04/05/2024 11:45

Increase in tax free allowance

It’s frozen for seven years, amid double digit inflation.

2dogsandabudgie · 04/05/2024 11:45

Blue Belt scheme
Decarbonisation Programme

User2460177 · 04/05/2024 11:46

ThreeFeetTall · 04/05/2024 11:36

Quantitive easing (aka printing money) is why they were able to afford furlough payments but it's fucked the economy by increasing inflation.
Gordon brown did it too in 2008 and I'm not sure what I would have done differently but it was not some genius move.
It helped lots of people and businesses in the short term though so that was good.

Quantative easing is an action taken by the Bank of England to manage inflation. The government doesn’t decide whether to do it or not. The Bank of England have been doing it on an ongoing basis from about 2010 to 2020. it did not pay for furlough.

The government borrowed to pay for Covid measures.

pointythings · 04/05/2024 12:14

The national living wage is mostly no different from the national minimum wage, which was brought in by Labour, to mass naysaying from the Tories.

leamington66 · 04/05/2024 12:54

netballandchill · 04/05/2024 11:33

furlough was a socialist policy and done to prevent civil unrest rather than altruistically

How odd. I didn’t label it.
I think it protected families from the worst possible outcome and allowed a quick return to normal economic activity. I don’t think even the most ardent free-marketeer would question its efficacy.

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 04/05/2024 13:03

Same sex marriage…. Didn’t many Tory MPs abstain or vote against it ?

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ilovesooty · 04/05/2024 13:10

sparklychair · 04/05/2024 10:55

The tories had to cope with Brexit (the referendum being forced on them by the Lib Dems) and Covid. Do you think any other government could have managed better?

How did the Lib Dems force the referendum?

OnGoldenPond · 04/05/2024 13:12

Certainly not public health. The aqueduct appears to be running 10 years behind schedule.