To ask what the tories have ever done for us…

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To compliment the thread about labour and give a bit of balance, let’s discuss the legacy of 14 years Conservative government. Never voted for them myself and although we now have 2 out of 3 Tory MPs up here because of the Brexit effect I haven’t seen any great improvement in our town. In fact if anything it’s pretty much gone to the dogs. So good and bad, what have they achieved ?

They might have "kept Corbyn out" but it was the devastating effects of austerity that led the appeal of his policies.

And the press did a better job than the Tories of keeping him out. Under May the Tories lost their majority which nearly let Corbyn in.

2019 became a Brexit referendum re-run.

Quite.

They have sat back and done nothing while the trans lobby pushed its extremist and damaging agenda.

Labour would not have put Brexit on the table at all.

but then why not expect the public to have voted better or at least studied what they were voted for so overall the result was or would be better for the country as a whole ?

or am i hearing you say you prefer important topics like brexit should be voted for by academics and those that understood the details better ?

6 years of the effects of austerity on the poor (while the rich got richer) helped tip the result over the line as well.

I’m saying nobody should have voted at all. I really don’t know how I can make it any plainer for you so could you please stop interrogating me?

or am i hearing you say you prefer important topics like brexit should be voted for by academics and those that understood the details better ?

I don't know how @blossomtoes feels about it, but I certainly think that something as important and now catastrophic as Brexit shouldn't have been done by an advisory referendum with a simple majority as an outcome. For something as seismic as that, a threshold of 2/3 of those voting would have made more sense, as would providing information in advance of the vote what each option would look like - making it clear that the UK would leave the Single Market, for instance, would have focused a few minds.

A 2/3 majority is required to allow women into the Garrick Club but 50% was ok for something as significant as Brexit.

And interestingly 50% wouldn't have been enough to keep us in the EU according to Garage.

I think some people did the best research they could using the usual resources they have eg tabloids, TV interviews with leaders. The fact that they were significantly lied to means they didn't make an informed vote.

Amazing that isn't it? Also, who really cares whether there are men only, or women only establishments?

Thank you for that. Your patience is greater than mine.

pointythings
making it clear that the UK would leave the Single Market, for instance, would have focused a few minds

They did make it clear!

June 12 2016
David Cameron confirmed that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.

He said the Brexit campaign had made it clear to voters that voting to leave also meant pulling out of the single market. The prime minister said he would accept the result as an “instruction” despite warning that leaving would be like planting a “bomb” under the British economy.

The prime minister said: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

Filled our rivers and shorelines with shit.

Also the airwaves and newspapers

It's not as cheap as in some areas in Europe (but the care and info you get from the nursery is much better in the UK, I've lived in Europe and so have first hand experience of this) but my nursery invoice is still tiny in comparison to what it used to be. Several hundred pounds a month, which makes a big difference. Not saying that Labour wouldn't do something similar but the Tories did make this happen, which is what the post is asking.

We will rarely agree on much Clav, but on this we do...... i knew full well we'd leave the SM and possibly the CU, it was made perfectly clear by Cameron.

However, back to the OP.... simple question: what public service has improved since 2010?

For me the answer is none, almost all has got worse, thats their legacy.

I hear it all the time with my Tory voting friends, they want better roads, healthcare, schools, fed up with rip off britain... they blame the Tories, maybe not impressed too much with Starmer but they want change & the Tories aren't offering any.

Going back to "square 1" is actually rather inviting!!!!

You can't lump all of Europe together based on experience of one country.

I've lived in two other EU countries and childcare was excellent - and free.

That's exactly what the poster I was replying to was doing- saying childcare in Europe is always better. I was responding saying it isn't always, so the opposite of lumping them together in fact.

The EU is some 27 countries, Europe a few more, might be handy to name that country where you had such a bad experience.

The Tories haven't really lived up to their promises on childcare, its not possible for many parent to access this 'care, it has also led to increased charges for c'care outside of the free 'care.

Mainly due to the simple fact that people don't want to work in this sector for v low wages.

According to UNICEF, most European countries have better childcare than the UK (many by some distance).

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/07/01/which-countries-have-the-most-generous-child-care-policies

my apologies but as mumsnet is for debating i was trying to understand your points better,

Mine too. It was an unnecessarily abrasive response.

That’s the water companies and not the government.
Haven’t water companies been pumping sewage into the sea for years? There are pipes usually 2 or 3 miles long that go out to sea that pumps the sewage out.
Its just that it’s reported more now than it was when Labour was in charge.