To ask what the tories have ever done for us…

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To compliment the thread about labour and give a bit of balance, let’s discuss the legacy of 14 years Conservative government. Never voted for them myself and although we now have 2 out of 3 Tory MPs up here because of the Brexit effect I haven’t seen any great improvement in our town. In fact if anything it’s pretty much gone to the dogs. So good and bad, what have they achieved ?

The windrush scandal

The grenfell tower disaster

Falling life expectancy

Hundreds of thousands of prematurely dead British Citizens. Any list will be compiled by the survivors - those not already killed by austerity, botched Covid lockdowns, or failings and excessive waiting lists in the NHS. These have collectively killed hundreds of thousands of british citizens. Austerity alone has killed 148,000 British citizens. NHS waiting lists and delays are killing 14,000 per year.

Made criminal behaviour acceptable if you're rich enough to get away with it, e.g. partygate, the illegal proroguing of parliament, the various breaches of international law.

Turned the UK from an affluent country into a poor country with a few very rich people living in it.

Encouraged and enabled general shamelessness in public life (e.g. "baroness" Mone and her millions purloined from the public purse, Grant "I'm here under another name" Shapps) etc.

All due to the Brexit voters, thank them

Largely due to Covid and Brexit

Brexit voters.

Starmer, life time pension allowance for everyone but me, what a sleaze ball.

with a few very rich people living in it.

One of whom happens to be the Prime Minister. What a coincidence 😂

Set the gullible against each other so they’ve got no idea what’s really going on.

The problem with your argument is that austerity had been estimated to have caused 120,000 excess deaths in 2017 - before COVID broke out and before Brexit had been implemented

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2017/nov/austerity-linked-120000-extra-deaths-england

By 2022, ,estimates were revised upwards to 334,000 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/05/over-330000-excess-deaths-in-great-britain-linked-to-austerity-finds-study

You can't fully separate the impacts of COVID and Austerity from 2020 onwards, because a decade of austerity meant that COVID hit a poorer, sicker country with an NHS that was already on it's knees.

Froze inheritance tax threshold since 2009, raising more money for the poor.

Can you explain this one to me.

The Tories raised money for the poor?

I guess they've prevented public services in England from turning as shit as they are in Wales, under Labour.

Trouble is, it's a race to the bottom really. We, the electorate, are trying to judge who would be least shit rather than who would be best.

I've said on other threads, it's like choosing between syphilis and gonorrhoea.

Reopening the Northumberland rail line which will massively improve transport links in the north east.

this is always puzzling why ask the general public ? chances are they will just repeat news headlines etc,

some of the best people to ask are political academics, and or those that study politics for one reason or another.

questions like the op's question, remind me of eg Sheldon cooper being asked about engineering when his expertise is physics ect

its also why i dont understand the perception of politics being a popularity contest with the general public, it should be based on the betterment of the country as a whole

And it does not help when you have the public that some hardly study the policies of those they vote for

I'm self employed and they paid out decent support money during covid which was gratefully received.
Also, the Torys rightfully imo, opened up the economy despite Labour wanting to keep everyone on lock down for longer.

cosied up to China

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-13/cameron-s-china-ties-draw-fresh-scrutiny-with-golden-era-over?embedded-checkout=true

and to Russia

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/conservative-friends-of-russia-group-disbands-with-immediate-effect/

and to Israel

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gaza-conservative-friends-israel-benjamin-netanyahu-b2522691.html

and from watching the house of cards, the public dont always realise why we need to , whos to say what deals need to be made, or whos trying to do x etc its easy to say omg, but with out the full contexts how can the public made a fully educated perspectives on those issues etc

Indeed. The Brexit vote and the fact that Boris won a general election despite having decades of being proved a liar demonstrates your point admirably. 🤦‍♂️

Ruined our lives. Made sure poor people can't get richer. Failed to obey the laws they themselves set. Set laws that directly benefit their mates rather than society at large. Shredded dignity for the homeless, the destitute, the sick, the elderly. Made sure there was no social housing. Made sure large corporations can employ people under minimum wage. Took every one of the working class people who voted for them for absolute mugs. I could go on...

This is a lie.

This lie has been trotted out time and time again - it was investigated twice by Police and no case to answer.

That was implemented by the Tories, it was a Tory policy change.

I can see you dislike Starmer personally, but this was not his decision.

They've surely set some kind of record for the number of unelected Prime Ministers.

The Boris effect is weird. I was in hospital the other week which was not a great experience but on the ward there were two diabetic ladies in very poor health in their 60s and were cursing the NHS and said they would be going private.

I mean, both of them were completely uninsurable. But they really did think it was a good idea and liked Boris a lot! The fact that their best hope of medical treatment that didn't make them even poorer was socialised medicine which they had had all their lives went "whoosh" over their heads.

If the NHS does get scuttled in the future, it will on thinking like that by Tory voters.

But so many self-employed people got nothing.