Teacher bought an ex students only fans?

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My friend has an x rated members website and has just told me that our old science teacher from secondary school has bought it! The same teacher that there were always dodgy rumours about him being a creep.

Is this worth mentioning to the school or is that over dramatic? It's really weird but she's 22 now and hasn't been at the school for 4 years.
Thoughts?

They may not have done at the time and I’ve heard similar stories from late 90s/early 00s when I was at school but I think they would now. Anyone who has a fling with a person who they very recently taught is not a good person imo.

My sister told me about when she had left school (not at 18 but 16, as she’d gone to a different 6th form) and one of the teachers approached her in a nightclub (she was there underage) and asked her out, saying “it’s legal now because I’m not your teacher anymore”. Really sick and disturbing that these men feel the need to prey on young girls that were entrusted to their care. But presumably nobody their own age would want them.

I work at a uni and until it’s been clamped down on, male tutors often dated young female undergrads, sometimes with quite damaging consequences. We need to get the message across that anyone you teach is out of bounds.

I can’t see how that would be policed and the woman is an adult, providing this service of her own free will. I can’t see how as he used to teach her he isn’t allowed to pay for that service.

yes it’s ick, but it’s a private transaction.

They are only out of bounds when you teach them, not years after.

You're very wrong about this; all schools have safeguarding policies that forbid teachers from social contact with ex pupils for years after they leave.

I was a teacher most of my adult life; if I had ever discovered that any male colleague was masturbating over footage of a former pupil that he'd taught four years previously, I would consider that staff member to be a very significant risk to the students in his care. It would be appalling and the safeguarding lead in any school would be extremely concerned.

Anyway, I said I'd take a break from the thread and I should!

Absolutely this.

If she's that bothered, she wouldn't supply nude pictures/videos of herself all over the internet.

Ew. Big fat ew & definitely confirmation of what you suspected at school. There's added ew that he looked up/has been following your friend for the last 4 years. Big fat fucking EW!

However...there's just nothing to report here & GDPR means it would probably be illegal to anyway. If I knew of girls still at the school I might be tempted to encourage the 'Mr X Is creepy af' rumour though, that doesn't need to die out.

How many years and can you evidence this? It’s been five years. I cannot for a moment see how this is an issue, but I’m happy to be corrected, but you will need to evidence that a teacher cannot subscribe to someone’s only fans five years after they left school

I was replying to your assertion that the teacher who propositioned a 16 year old former pupil was doing nothing wrong. She had left the school, but it would still be forbidden for him to proposition her. She remained 'out of bounds' - in the schools I worked in, this would be for five years at least.

In terms of the OP, she has stated it's been four years not five.

In terms of evidence, I don't want to post the policies of the schools I worked in, for confidentiality reasons. I can suggest scrolling down to the 'befriending pupils on social media' section on this headteacher's advice page https://www.headteacher-update.com/content/best-practice/social-media-teachers-and-schools-how-to-avoid-the-pitfalls/ It says that policies do depend on individual schools, but that social media contact with former pupils is 'controversial' and steps may be taken in regard to romantic relationships developing between teachers and students.

This man may be breaching his own school's policy or he may not. In that case I would report and let the school decide. It is certainly not the case that this behaviour is considered fine in all schools, so I don't know how anyone can come on this thread and say it's absolutely not a problem.

It's gross , but what she's doing is just as bad

I generally agree. Grooming is certainly a concern.

but as PP said: I would wonder whether he actually went looking for her or simply found her (edit: and if he recognised her…)
Would you finde her OF if you went looking for her online with her first and last name? Wouldn’t she use some sort of pseudonym?

Or as PP said: what if he walked into a strip club and a stripper who happened to be one of his former students recognised him?

The strip club analogy is only relevant if he pays for a private dance - that makes it equivalent as it's not like he's only looked at her OF page, he's a paying subscriber.

If a teacher paid for a private lap dance from a 22 year old whom he'd taught four years previously? I'd think he was a safeguarding risk. Just like I do here.

And honestly, what are the chances of him accidentally happening upon a former pupil's OF, out of all the OF pages available..? It could happen. But anyone who has had safeguarding training knows that if in doubt, you report. And his intentions here are definitely doubtful!

Maybe she isn’t “bothered” but worried that this man may pose a threat to vulnerable people. Such as current and former pupils.

She didn’t lose the right to care about children’s and women’s safety when she became a sex worker. She didn’t automatically loose the ability to feel empathy for potential victims either.
Or in other words: She’s still human!

I agree. It is definitely better to report than find out that somebody should have been reported.

They’re both grim tbh.

I’m surprised you went there, you must logically know there is absolutely nothing in there to say a teacher cannot subscribe to an ex pupils only fans five years later. A subscription that is freely offered, ans is a private amd confidential transaction. And there is no romantic relationship.

quite seriously you’re posting that teachers cannot do what he is doing. Your post shows you simply cannot. And have no evidence at all for what you’re saying.

abain, i am happy to be corrected, but you will need to step up and evidence this, if you cannot then we need to assume it’s nonsense.

Four years, not five.

I'm taking 'romantic relationship' to encompass any sexual relationship, including a transactional one. I can't see teaching regulators saying it's unacceptable for a teacher to date a former student but fine for him to pay her for sexual services?

Clearly, many schools have specific policies regarding social media contact between teachers and former students - as referenced in that page. In my previous schools, that was for five years. Again, the OP is talking about a four year period. I'm not sure where you got five years from.

An Only Fans site that reports its "members" isn't going to last long.

If you mention it to the school:
(a) will your friend thank you for doing it?
(b) if challenged what actual evidence do you have? None it's just hearsay.
Drop it OP.

Exactly.

She has no right to pass judgement on her "clients".

What's really worrying is the possibility he is deliberately searching for his former students online.

There is no evidence to support this. The school do not have the legal authority to seize his personal electronic devices and check his search history. It would therefore be impossible to prove that this was a deliberate act. Even if the woman with the Only Fans account is using her real name (we don't know this) it could easily be claimed that he didn't remember her.

If he has tracked this young woman down on purpose, it suggests he is acting on sexual attraction to the students in his care

Again, this is speculation. What it actually suggests is that he is acting on a sexual attraction to an adult woman who has made a legal choice to post explicit content of herself online. There is no evidence that he is attracted to children or adolescents. Schools and professional bodies cannot act on gossip or conjecture. One of the first things they teach you in DSL training is "don't write your own script", you have to base decisions on facts and evidence.

I agree that if this is true it's vile and I would definitely think less of a colleague who did this. But as someone who has been tasked with investigating allegations against Teaching staff in schools, I would be surprised if this went anywhere based on the information in the OP.
OP is free to report her concerns to the school, but unless she has evidence to support them no action can be taken.

I know someone who married their college teacher, they got together after she left and they are now happy with a child. I assume he was newly qualified because there isn’t a huge age gap. So I think actual relationships depend on the situation.

In this situation how does the friend know it’s definitely him? If it’s her own website then it’s not OnlyFans. Is it just someone with the same name? I would’ve expected her to have some kind of privacy policy. She’s not at the school anymore and they are presumably not in contact so I don’t know when the student-teacher relationship “times out”

Your friend is VVVVVVVU for gossiping about who her clients are.

Every DSL I've worked with has emphasised how important it is to report every concern. I've never been told in safeguarding briefings not to bother reporting something on the basis that it probably won't go anywhere.

I agree with you that of course it might not go anywhere, but I would always encourage anyone to report their concerns and I don't think anyone tasked with safeguarding in a school would consider a teacher paying a former student for sexually explicit content only four years after she left to be nothing to worry about. At the very least, it would call into question that teacher's judgement and boundaries and prompt a refresher on social media interactions!

He's not her teacher anymore so it's not the same. It's been 4 years, he probably can't even remember her and just a coincidence that he joined that person.