To think Taylor Swift is overrated?

[BillieTheFish]

Well am I?

@SummaLuvin Yes she is a prime target for butthurt men with anger issues. I'm sure she is staying low profile and keeping safe but she does get a lot of male aggression.

Also anybody on Instagram or tiktok can see the change. I have seen so many clips laughing at her and her fan base just in the last few weeks.

I rarely see Taylor on Tiktok because of how the algorithm works. I see stuff about dogs, photography, vegan diets, fitness and musicians that I like...no one laughing at them or their fans.

There have always been arseholes who laugh at others for enjoying something they don’t like. How sad. It says a lot about you that you see that on tiktok a lot, if you do.

Did you peak in high school by any chance?

I think many people are getting fed up of her at this point and will gladly rejoice in her being put back in her place.

You have to question what ‘place’ they think she should be ‘put back in’ and why?

Maybe I didn’t make my post clear. I’m not saying I think that’s right or that it should happen, it’s rooted in sexism and internalised misogyny and the worst part of humanity that take joy in seeing someone fall, but that’s how the world operates and she knows it. She’s been here before, damn she was even referring it during the red era “they don't tell you when you're twirling in front of the mirror as a child what the papers are gonna say about you someday. Cause they don't tell you they're building you up just to try and knock you down. But they haven’t yet.” I’ve been a Taylor fan since well before rep and this feels similar to that time - like we’re teetering on the edge of public opinion swinging. I’m honestly sort of scared for her.

Yet only one of us has felt the need to resort to playground insults. Funny that.

It's always people who have never listened to more than around 10 songs by a certain singer/songwriter who has written/recorded over 150 songs, who decides they are 'overrated.' And that's you isn't it @BillieTheFish ?

I bet you can't name more than 7 or 8 songs by TS ... Like a typical TS hater, you have not heard more than 5% of her songs.

And don't even think about naming a load of her songs here, because I know you will google them.

That's the dumbest theory I've ever heard it's like telling somebody they need to eat and entire cake before they know if it's gone off lol 😆

Life's too short to force down hours worth of stuff that isn't to your taste.

I understood that it wasn’t you thinking that. Sorry, it was me who wasn’t clear. 😊

I don’t think we’re on the edge of public opinion swinging. I think there are a tiny minority of people posting negatively online about her. If people are posting clips laughing at her and her fans, are they the sort of people anyone gives a fuck about anyway? Most people aren’t such sad bastards that they spend their time laughing at others or expressing at length why they feel someone is overrated.

IRL I find people either love her, quite like her, (even if not her music, they respect her standing up for herself), or they just don’t have much of an opinion on her. She hasn’t done anything bad, so you have to question the motives of people who seem to want to bring her down.

The one person IRL who says similar to the ‘haters’ on here, fully OTT supported Johnny Depp. She now vocal in her support of Russell Brand. But hates Taylor. I mean, make it make sense. 😂

YABVU

Just so over the top not my cup of tea

You’ve come on here to call a woman who has a highly successful career, average. You felt the need to point out that people are laughing at her and her fans. You call her and her fans cringey. So let’s not pretend that you’re not insulting people. It’s very sad/twisted that people feel the need to bring others down, both the highly successful woman and those that get some joy from her, mainly women and girls.

And THAT is the dumbest post on the forum today. ^ And a stupid analogy that makes no sense.

Telling someone to eat an entire cake to see if it's gone off, has fuck all connection with saying to someone, that they cannot judge a singer/songwriter and say they are overrated, on the basis of hearing 5-6% of their songs.

Saying to someone that they cannot judge a singer/songwriter and say they are overrated, on the basis of hearing 5-6% of their songs is a FACT.

Also, no-one is forcing ANYONE to listen to Taylor Swift. But her haters sure do fucking love talking about her and starting threads about how 'crap' she is, and how overrated and boring she is. She lives rent free in the heads of ALL of you! PMSL! 😆

Who the hell spends their time and energy starting threads about people they (supposedly) hate and think are crap? Why is she in your head? Why do you talk about her? Why do you think about her?

Somewhere deep inside, the haters LOVE her. They just don't know it yet!

They must do or they wouldn't keep banging on and ON about her. 😂

As I said, Taylor lives rent free in your head!

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She’s obviously hugely successful so I’m guessing a large majority of the world would disagree with you. She’s not in my top 10 artists either (but I imagine 90% of the world would disagree with my choices). I guess the market dictates her worth and on that basis YABU.

Your cake analogy doesn’t work. Would you decide you hate all cake and go on about it to people because you’ve tried a couple of different types of cakes?

It's the same cake. Lol.

Different cake would be different musicians. You can like Victoria sponge and not like lemon drizzle cake.

Analogy stands. You don't have to eat all of something to know if you cannot stomach it.

Saying it’s the same cake only confirms that you haven’t listen to many of her songs. Point proven.

Your analogy can stand til it takes root. It still makes bog-all sense.

Just own it dude. You spoke nonsense!

And other posters pointed it out too. 😂

The fact is you CANNOT say someone is crap and overrated when you have only listened to 10 or so of 200 odd songs!

But I do love it that YOU and many other haters just can't stop thinking about, and talking about Taylor Swift.

I think the thing is the best songwriters and singers in the world aren’t always the most popular. TS is obviously good live and is really inoffensive and has an enormous fan base probably because her music can appeal to so many people. I’d put Harry Styles in the same category.

I think just because some is hugely popular it doesn’t make them overrated but equally it doesn’t make them the best just that for whatever reason they have mass appeal.

90% of the world likely has no opinion of her.

I don’t get the hate. I’ve overheard a couple of her songs, it’s commercial pop with catchy lyrics which obviously connect with people and a lot of people like that. If you’re not interested in commercial pop you’ll nod your head, acknowledge it’s not for you, and go back to listening to Stravinsky or Dream Theater or whatever you like.

The haters are weird - it reminds me a bit of the “Disco Sucks” movement of the late 70s which, while rooted in homophobia and racism, seems to share quite a few commonalities.

Why in gods name would you spend so long writing about someone you don't like.

There's something very unpleasant about the vitriol. 'needs to be put back in her place'. Where's that then?

Average. She's won 326 awards, from AMAs to Grammys. Don't like her music that's totally fine. But come now. That's just embarrassing.

TBF, people have filled up many a thread writing about things they don't like about Meghan Markle. I think people are just more likely to comment on things they don't like or generally find a bit annoying rather than about things they enjoy or like (well on social media, anyway).

Of course you are not being unreasonable.

Her music is bland mainstream pop, there is nothing particularly innovative or creative in what she produces, and nothing in her lyrics shouts as exceptional either, it's just average pop lyrics targeting teenagers.

The point is that today's music industry is not really about the music itself, but much more about the stage persona, their social presence, the ability to teenagers to relate with them.

What has happened in the last 20-30 years in Korea and Japan, with the music being dominated by the "Idols" is now taking over the music industry in USA and Europe.

To be a music star, you need to be good-looking, young, fit, need to be great on the stage, good at dancing, performing and cultivate your social presence. Being a musician is a really minor part of that, and to some extent, irrelevant.

Most of the current stars have limited music knowledge, can hardly play an instrument and from a strictly perspective of their musical talent, mediocre at best. But that is now what the industry is about today, it is about creating idols.

Compare that to 40 years ago for example, where you could be one of the greatest band in the world and have as your frontman Mark Knopfler, not exactly the sexiest man in the world, but a genius with a guitar on his hands.

Today he would have zero chances of success, no one cares if you can actually play an instrument.

She does play instruments. Multiple.

It's becoming really bizarre this obsession with trying to criticise her.

Her lyrics are great too. Go listen to All Too Well.
Don't like her? Fair enough, but why the constant need to put her down. I'm 62, I grew up in the 60s/70s. My first concert was Queen in 1977. I've seen a lot of people come and go, I think Taylor is fantastic.

She can play guitar and piano... her guitar skills are intermediate, and the piano is really basic. Her success is clearly not due to her technical skills as an instrumentalist. Similar she isn't known for her exceptional singing skills, she's an average singer, although she sings better than she plays guitar and piano.

You say that criticism towards her are "bizzarre". I guess the reason is that for someone who has become the greatest music artist in the world, with an influence that reaches well over music, a cultural icon, an economic force able to move the GDP of a country, you would expect this person to be an exceptional musician, and objectively she is not, she's an average writer, singer, and a mediocre instrumentalist.
What she is exceptional at is her energy on the stage, the ability to connect with her target demographic, her curated look, her beauty, her showmanship on stage, the choreography of her shows... I won't be able to do a 1000th of what she does on stage and that's why she is an "idol" loved by millions of people all over the world.
But these are skills of a stage performer, which have nothing to do with writing or playing exceptional music. The music industry has changed, and we just have to accept that.