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To ask what you think when you see a white woman and a Muslim man?

316 replies

Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 08:12

White non markedly Muslim or other wise woman and a Muslim man together, clearly in a relationship? What do you think?

as this is an anonymous forum, please do be honest.

after that thread about the woman marrying and arab, it strikes me that a lot of people have some quite strong opinions on this, and the convert to Islam threads on here also have been quite telling

disclaimer this is me, despite living in a very multicultural place, we do get looks here and there and boundless questions on our relationship that tbh aren’t very appropriate to ask a stranger whenever we meet new people. And if we go someplace less diverse the looks are more apparent.

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AndiOliversGlasses · 29/04/2024 11:25

I think the basic reaction would be to be confused as to why a man would be religious enough to allow religion to dictate his dress but not let it dictate his choice of partner.

If, on the other hand, the woman was also Muslim and dressed accordingly, but white, I would barely give it a second thought.

MsPringle · 29/04/2024 11:54

A stranger in the street, I wouldn't be interested. My daughter, I would be interested in what, if any, the expectations would be in terms of complying with the rules/customs/other woo this religion (same as any other) made up to control women.

betterangels · 29/04/2024 11:59

IAmThe1AndOnly · 29/04/2024 08:47

On the surface I wouldn’t take a bit of notice.

But i would notice if e.g. the woman had started to dress modestly, started to wear a head scarf etc and I would wonder about whether their daughters were being raised in the Muslim faith and everything that represents.

If the marriage goes well then power to them and nobody needs to care.

But if the marriage goes wrong it has the potential to go very, very wrong.

E.g. I would never advise someone move to an Arab country because if the marriage ends then the woman loses all rights to the children.

In the UK if someone divorces their husband from certain countries the warning is always to ensure that he never leaves the country with them.

I think all major religions have certain red flags if the people practicing those religions are particularly evangelical. And those red flags should be heeded going in.

I would think similar.

InSpainTheRain · 29/04/2024 12:19

I don't think anything of it. However, I did date an arab guy for a bit, he was lapsed muslim but his family were still religious. He was great, fun, solvent, intelligent etc.. but no way would I marry him. You don't marry an arab guy, you marry his whole family and who knows when his parents could persuade him that it was time to take being a muslim more seriously. Risking that life was not for me.

BusyMummy001 · 29/04/2024 12:27

Well, unless he has muslim tattooed across his forehead, I’m not sure how I would know? Lots of ‘white’ people are muslim, and many dark-skinned persons are not.

My mother married a muslim when I was 4. My muslim family, being liberal Sunni asylees from Iran when the Shah was deposed, are lovely, caring people. Doctors, a NASA scientist, an ex RAF aeronautical engineer, accountants… well educated, community orientated, and wonderfully inclusive to the little white girl my dad adopted. My mother? Bloody nightmare.

Apollo365 · 29/04/2024 12:29

I wouldn’t notice.

Pheeeeebs · 29/04/2024 12:30

I would not notice, it’s a non event. If pressed for an opinion, I would say “they must like each other”.

Anonymous2025 · 29/04/2024 12:33

Depends , I have a colleague and friend married to a Muslim man that’s is just a normal couple , she didn’t convert , they celebrate both Christmas Muslim holidays . Very independent women’s who would just put up with anything controlling .
If I see women having to jeopardise their beliefs , their feminist values , their day to day then I feel sad that women would subjugate to that . I don’t care if Muslims, Catholic , Jew . If you need to change your core values to be with someone that is bad .

Superstoria · 29/04/2024 12:35

If I saw a couple where the man was in traditional Islamic dress and the woman wasn’t, I’d probably idly wonder what issues that might have brought up for them, how they had navigated them, and then carry on with my day and forget all about them tbh.

coffeeandcake91 · 29/04/2024 12:42

What's with the surge of posts about Muslims, Islam - relationships, etc.

Sounds like people are trying to cause shit.

To answer the OP no one would care.

MorningSunshineSparkles · 29/04/2024 12:48

Do you mean a Middle Eastern man? Because unless they’re in full spiritual getup, how can you tell someone’s religion just by looking at them? Not all Middle Eastern men are muslim, it’s as daft as asking what you’d think of a white woman with a male Buddhist.

blankittyblank · 29/04/2024 12:49

Soigneur · 29/04/2024 10:44

I've never seen someone wearing a cassock outside of a church service and never seen someone wearing a hijab in the UK (and that's women isn't it?) I thought turbans were traditional national dress (Turks and Indians) - didn't realise it was religious.

I'm surprised you've never seen a woman in a hijab in the UK? Is that right? That's just a headscarf. I live in East London and about 50% of the school run mums here wear burkas!

IncompleteSenten · 29/04/2024 12:49

Literally nothing.
I don't care.

JSMill · 29/04/2024 12:54

Anonymous2025 · 29/04/2024 12:33

Depends , I have a colleague and friend married to a Muslim man that’s is just a normal couple , she didn’t convert , they celebrate both Christmas Muslim holidays . Very independent women’s who would just put up with anything controlling .
If I see women having to jeopardise their beliefs , their feminist values , their day to day then I feel sad that women would subjugate to that . I don’t care if Muslims, Catholic , Jew . If you need to change your core values to be with someone that is bad .

Yup. I'm married to a Muslim and if he expected me to subjugate myself to him, we wouldn't be together. Tbh my dh has far more respect for women and woman's rights than a lot of British Christian men I know.

CammyChameleon · 29/04/2024 12:59

If we're talking native British white woman married to a man I can tell is Muslim by his dress, and she has obviously converted by adopting Muslim dress, I would wonder why tf she wanted to limit herself by converting to such a religion when she hasn't had to grow up in it.

Ilovemyshed · 29/04/2024 13:01

Doesn't bother me in the slightest but by "Muslim" I assume you mean "of Asian looking heritage"

Soigneur · 29/04/2024 13:01

blankittyblank · 29/04/2024 12:49

I'm surprised you've never seen a woman in a hijab in the UK? Is that right? That's just a headscarf. I live in East London and about 50% of the school run mums here wear burkas!

Oh, I thought it was the all over covering thing. I live very rurally so no, I don't see anything like that. I go to London (Cannon Street) for work sometimes but most people in that area are in work clothes. I have muslim work colleagues (Turkish and North African) but none of them dress in an identifiably 'muslim' way that I can see. Which is why I said I would have trouble recognising someone to be muslim unless I knew them and had found out some other way.

TwattyMcFuckFace · 29/04/2024 13:08

coffeeandcake91 · 29/04/2024 12:42

What's with the surge of posts about Muslims, Islam - relationships, etc.

Sounds like people are trying to cause shit.

To answer the OP no one would care.

I wonder if it's to stir pre-election debate?

Quite a few threads from 'teachers' asking if they should return to teaching too.

Combattingthemoaners · 29/04/2024 13:12

CharlotteBog · 29/04/2024 11:16

YOU might not think anything, but you're being naive to believe no one does or should think anything.
That's what this thread is discussing.

I don’t think I’m naive at all. It has very islamaphobic undertones. There are 1.9 billion Muslims worldwide. There isn’t one type of Muslim as it is a religion. In the same way you get different folk practising Catholicism or Buddhism or Judaism in different ways or presenting in different ways.

To ask what do you think when you see a Muslim man with a white woman. The OP is suggesting there is a certain type of Muslim male and that the white woman is in some way being controlled or coerced as a passive victim of the dangerous Muslim male. That is what this post is suggesting. I stand by what I said.

VestibuleVirgin · 29/04/2024 13:13

Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 08:31

How would you know?

genuinely surprised people are asking, if they are wearing traditional dress, long beard, prayer cap, someone who’s marked muslim by their appearance, answers so far are genuinely surprising me given the PP about a woman going to an Arab country to get married

So you judge people by their clothes? How do you identify those Muslims who wear more western clothes? Do you think only those in Hasidic clothing are Jewish?
What a very strange and surprisingly misonformed post

Springchickenonion · 29/04/2024 13:13

@CammyChameleon I would think she's probably studied and made the decision for herself. Talking as a revert to islam of 16 years and years a hijab.

MelvinThePenguin · 29/04/2024 13:16

My neighbours are a white woman and Muslim man. I don’t remember thinking anything when they moved in other than “lovely, they have DC the same age as mine”.

They are good friends of ours now. He’s Muslim, she’s Christian but adheres to some Muslim dietary restrictions out of choice and the only thing I’ve ever thought about his religion is “whoops, shouldn’t have given them alcohol as a moving in gift”.

CammyChameleon · 29/04/2024 13:17

Springchickenonion · 29/04/2024 13:13

@CammyChameleon I would think she's probably studied and made the decision for herself. Talking as a revert to islam of 16 years and years a hijab.

A revert - so someone who grew up Muslim and went back to what they knew? Not what I was talking about.

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 29/04/2024 13:18

I honestly wouldn't care, or notice, and think it's sad if people do.

Wotcher · 29/04/2024 13:21

Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 08:45

But a Muslim woman wouldn’t marry a non Muslim would she

Sorry if someone has already asked, but is it ok then for a Muslim man to marry a non Muslim woman? If so, how come?

Personally I likely wouldn’t notice if I walked past you in the street as I’m completely disinterested in other people in general unless I know them.

Me myself, I wouldn’t be with anyone who was staunchly religious, regardless of which religion, as I feel it would make is incompatible to have such differing views on something so important to them.

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