To ask what you think when you see a white woman and a Muslim man?

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White non markedly Muslim or other wise woman and a Muslim man together, clearly in a relationship? What do you think?

as this is an anonymous forum, please do be honest.

after that thread about the woman marrying and arab, it strikes me that a lot of people have some quite strong opinions on this, and the convert to Islam threads on here also have been quite telling

disclaimer this is me, despite living in a very multicultural place, we do get looks here and there and boundless questions on our relationship that tbh aren’t very appropriate to ask a stranger whenever we meet new people. And if we go someplace less diverse the looks are more apparent.

I'd think poor gullible woman. Emily Pankhurst would be shocked to see how these wives are treated as 3rd class citizens

My parcel delivery regular guy is tall, white, mid European Muslim - I know this as,
I offered him a bottle of beer - he asked did it have alcohol, I said yes of course, its beer, then realised, handed over old fashioned lemonade, thirsty work lifting heavy parcels.
I wouldn’t have known, couldn’t have guessed.
Flowing garments, long beards, prayer caps are pretty unusual sight are they not, outside Bradford, parts of Leeds, Luton and other enclaves? whether or not escorting a white woman?

Depends if she’s wearing a hair covering or not. If she is, I’d roll my eyes. I don’t like women being dictated to and controlled by men.

Muslim is a religion and a choice so I'm not sure how you can look Muslim!?

I couldn't care less what a couple looked like. If they get on well then why does it matter what gender/religion/nationality/ethnicity they are? If people judge or even contemplate this then clearly they need to address their own issues.

Out in the real world, plenty of women from muslim backgrounds have non-muslim husbands and boyfriends.

To give just one example because she just popped up on my instagram, the beauty entrepreneur Huda Kattan comes from an arab muslim family from what I can tell, but is married to a Portuguese non-muslim man.

It is incredibly common, especially in the west, for muslim women to date/marry western men

It honestly is not common. It's not permissible. If the woman is a practicing Muslim her husband must also be Muslim. That's just the way it is in Islam.

I would think it was very unusual, assuming he was wearing very traditional Muslim dress and she wasn't.

If he wasn't wearing traditional clothes I wouldn't have a clue what religion he was or think anything of it. I live in the South East and work in London, I know and see lots of mixed couples.

And I have to say, all the Muslim women I know love wearing the hijab - they're not oppressed by it at all.

How would I know he was Muslim?
Does he dress traditionally?

Where I grew up there were a lot of both Hindus and Muslims from India Bangladesh and Pakistan and a lot of Muslims didn't dress or act as religiously as many do now.
Now you get Muslim people from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds....third generation UK, or the Arab States, turkey, Eastern europe, white converts. And a wide range of devotion and outward indicators.

So if I saw a white woman with no signs such as headscarf etc, dressed in typical Western clothing and an Asian or Arab man I would assume he wasn't Muslim, or was ethnically Muslim (in the way I am ethnically chistian as I "celebrate" Christmas and Easter but am not religious) but not particularly devout.
Quite a lot of younger Muslims in my town, particularly those born here who went to diverse schools, are like this.

I would internally raise an eyebrow at at man, in Europe, in traditional Muslim dress, with a partner in western clothing. Mainly as those or dress traditionally are unlikely to date outside their culture.

But, frankly, if it's consenting on both sides, who cares?

Not all arab men wear traditional dress or beards.
Nor do they travel to an Arab country try to marry.
God help my family who has a Arab partner who's moved to the UK recently.
She would laugh in your face.

I think I'd only really "notice", if the man was in traditional muslim dress, like a shalwar kameez, and the woman was dressed "western".
If the woman was in a hijab, I don't think I'd particularly notice that she was white.

I have seen a white women in a burqa dress before and I must admit I found that strange.

I believe in freedom to dress how you want but it does seem odd someone would choose to wear something so oppressive. It seems a bad role model to the children. I think if you’ve grown up that way so genuinely think that’s ‘normal’ it’s perhaps more understandable but as a white woman you presumably haven’t… Also I do mean a full burqa not just a hijab.

The handful I know in real life are all divorced and at some point the women were subjected to domestic violence.

The differences were simply too great for the marriages to work. Arguments over circumcision were a particular bone of contention.

This isn't representative in any way. Just my personal experience.

I assume you're asking about a man in traditional religious attire OP, and a woman who's not showing any signs in her appearance of being of the same faith? I live in London - I wouldn't give a second glance to a couple of that description.

However, if I knew the couple, for example, I was friends with one of them, and I knew that one was deeply religious, and one wasn't, I'd probably be concerned about whether 2 people with fundamentally different beliefs would have a successful relationship. That would be the same no matter which religion.

I know lots of Muslim men and boys. My DS plays in a cricket team where he is the only non Muslim. I chat and engage with the wives and they are all only Muslim. The other day one of the players of 25 told me he was attending events at a matchmaker type of place to find a wife. She will be Muslim. I know this man quite well having known him for over 10 years since he was 15 and asked him if he had tried meeting someone at college or University. He said no he must marry a Muslim lady who will bring his DC up in the Muslim faith. His Mum who I know quite well told me she would not mind who her son married if they were a good and kind person and agreed any DC would be Muslim faith. Out of about 60 Pakistani men not one has a non Muslim wife. They all seem perfectly happy though. The men seem to have some choice but choose to marry a fellow Muslim. The girls have less choice.

I would just hope they are not raising the children Muslim. I have lived in a majority Muslim country — I do not recommend it personally and I worry that the vacuum left by Christianity (am not Christian just to be clear) means that another religion will take its place. Secularism seems difficult to maintain tbh

Famously black Muslim woman Iman, successfully married to David Bowie,
white, C of E he always said, it wasn’t a problem, why would it be.

My parcel delivery regular guy is tall, white, mid European Muslim - I know this as,
I offered him a bottle of beer - he asked did it have alcohol, I said yes of course, its beer, then realised

That doesn't mean he's Muslim. Most people won't drink on duty, especially if they're driving, which most parcrl delivery people do. I've family who don't drink because they're Christian. I've other friends who don't drink fir health reasons, and often, just can't be bothered these days. But I wouldn't offer someone who is working alcohol, because no one should be drinking on duty.

You can often get a good indication by the dress style, although it's never 100%.

Like, non practicing 'Muslim' women don't usually wear burkhas etc and the men seem less likely to wear the long white flowing robes (don't know the proper name).

I've worked with loads of guys from Muslim backgrounds and generally the non practicing ones just wear 'normal' western clothing.

No convert like a new convert. I have known born and raised evangelical Christians convert and wear the niqab. It is disturbing to me how someone raised in the West can easily accept and participate in the public erasure of women.

The main concern on the thread about the woman in her 20s marrying an Arab was her previous posts where it's clear that it's not a stable relationship and he isn't an honest man. And whatever religion you are, it doesn't sit well if a man living in the UK is willing to lie to his family in the name of a religion he supposedly doesn't practice, and then drag his intended bride overseas and require her to also lie and keep the charade going. It's wrong on so many levels. If a man is willing to lie to that extent to family then he's not a trustworthy man.

But you crack on and make this about people hating partnerships of white women and Arabs. Did she even say she was white btw?

Probably wouldn't even notice. I don't see why it matters who your in a relationship with as long as its legal

That's not true. My SIL is Muslim, my brother's Jewish. They were married by an imam.

To answer the question, though, I don't think too many people would bat an eyelid. I work for a Sikh company and it's not too uncommon for Sikhs to marry white partners. I think the objection would more commonly come from conservative family members/parents.

My female friend married a christian guy (from Jamaica) they were together c. 20 years and broke up for the usual non-religion related reasons. My other friend is currently dating and picks guys who she fancies regardless of religion. Im in london.

I’m coming from the place of the mainstream Muslim view, so those Muslim women who have non Muslims partners who won’t convert won’t be able to have a Muslim wedding (nikah) etc