Islam groups calling for caliphate in Germany, aibu to be petrified?

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/protesters-germany-call-islamic-fundamentalism-caliphate-solution

@123anotherday yes, I do think there is a danger of people feeling helpless and powerless and moving to support more extreme policies that they wouldn't naturally support. One of the big questions for progressive liberals around migration is how they reconcile the integration of fundamental religious beliefs that are so out of alignment with western social policies in our societies. Their answer so far is to enable communities that can hold these beliefs to operate separately within our society. Again, reference is made to Denmark who have very much recognised the problems this can cause for all concerned.

There are a small number of extremists in any religion who would like to see their countries run more in accordance with their religious beliefs.

It's not unreasonable to highlight incidents of this.

But also we should keep it in proportion. 1100 people at a protest doesn't mean 1100 people agreeing with the most inflammatory sign there.

You want a thread deleted because it offends your opinions? You want to shut down any discussion that doesn't 100% align with your political ideals? There's a name for that...

YANBU. It's funny that this place is so clear sighted when it comes to TRAs crying transphobia in order to shut down women's legitimate concerns, but is happy to cry Islamaphobia in order to do the same thing. MIMS.

Have you actually read them? The tone is very different.

This protest was by a small group, with links to extremists. Germany is considering banning them. The march had a large police presence and if the marchers had broken the law they would have been arrested. There were no arrests.

How you get from that to "I'm petrified of an Islamic Caliphate in Europe" is beyond me.

I want it deleted because its full of anti-Muslim statements that I find extremely offensive. I'm not MNHQ though, if they don't think its breaking talk guidelines up to them.

The difference being "legitimate concerns"

No,it's full of anti Muslim extremist statements there's a huge difference.

Thanks so much for your post lottie X It's really important that you speak on here too, like every single religion all have their extremists Xx

I actually live in the ME in a Muslim country and believe me,they don't want these extremists here either because they're damaging to Islam and extremely damaging to the way of life and the tolerance that exists here for ALL religions.

Of course it won't ever happen.

What recent example is there of a group of fanatical Islamists seizing power and oppressing or killing anyone who doesn't conform to their punitive diktats? Apart from Iran, obviously. And Afghanistan, but that doesn't count for some reason, and it's a long way away so it doesn't matter. For those reasons, progressive liberal politicians are absolved of their shameless silence and inaction about all the girls denied an education and the freedoms we claim for ourselves and our own daughters.

The danger from extreme Islam is at least as great as that from the trans lobby. I'm also not white, by the way.

Really? I thought you wanted it deleted because you were losing the argument.

Personally, I hope it stays up. I consider myself a liberal. We should live and let live. Be tolerant. Of everything except intolerance.

I’m in favour of free speech whether on Mumsnet or at a march. I think the sunlight on issues is important.

Also Syria. And Egypt. And Nigeria. And…

But their calling for because Germany doesn't have one..... terrorism in Germany is extremely low compared to most of Europe & extremism is viewed very poorly because of the Nazism hence why when it happens it's such a shock (christmas market attack/the Olympics ect.)

Germany is an extremely passive country for the most part with a 'history' of extreme backlash (ww1 & ww2) not a highly aggressive you-do-you lets see where it goes sort of place

They want a terrorist group because they dont have one

Agree re deletion, not doing it that is. Let the op say how they feel and people respond.

Tolerance for all religions in the Middle East, really?https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/59786a0040f0b65dcb00000a/042-Persecution-of-Christians-in-the-Middle-East.pdf

Extremists of any kind are bad news. They have their own mentality and no one will change that.

@AdamRyan I actually agree there's a couple of pretty awful anti-Muslim statements on here that need deleting. (There's also some very balanced discussion). But I do find it interesting that this can be called out when some of the same people will quite happily talk over Jews on other threads, lecturing to them what is and isn't antisemitism, while completely ignoring the more blatant Jew-bashing on those threads from other posters. Either call it all out, or don't call it out at all.

@Lottie2shoes Thanks for your detailed and considered post. I found your perspective interesting, especially about the stress it causes seeing people talk about Muslims wanting to take over the world. As someone Jewish, this is so similar to what we deal with, because apparently Jews (often coded as Zionists and globalists) want to control the media and also take over the world. We have so much in common, and it's such a shame a lot of the division is actually caused by non-Muslims/non-Jews.

I am scared of fox news too

And it can happen. The British birthrate has declined rapidly, the Muslim birthrate & the birthrates of other groups is also high so I'm years to come who knows.
This is a fact before anyone jumps down my throat, the British birth rate has radically declined.. British women are waiting until much later to have kids, due to cost of living or choice may only have one max 2 etc.. It's a lifestyle choice in a way. Abortions are widely avaliable & are socially acceptable in our society. So many factors...

This isn't the first instance of extremists calling for a caliphate to be established in Germany. There have been others in the Ruhr area that actually had higher attendance than this one, however, I don't think they captured the attention of the global media in the same way.

The real issue is the useless Interior Minister and that whole department who have proven themselves utterly incapable of managing this relatively minor threat from a handful of fanatics who have been emboldened by the war in the Middle East.

Booksoverbros YANBU too many refuse to see what is happening because their lives are not affected, yet. One day their lives will be changed and the middle class will demand change but it will be far too late.

Luxury beliefs. Just like those who house female prisoners with violent men because it doesn’t affect them.

I think common sense is needed, personally.
Looking at some of these posts... I mean islamophobia and the whole taking over the world etc. Do they know how many Muslims live in this world? Is it not fact that the majority of Muslims are just living their lives as normal, with a house and the 2. 4 kids etc? Imagine if all these Muslims tried to do all these things that people are assuming they want to do.
I mean, just a snapshot of the area I live in, Muhammed down the road is working hard to provide for his family whereas Fatima is looking after the kids at home.
( I know I'm being stereotypical here, but I'm just showing that your typical muslim is not really looking to take over the world in real life).
Same as Jews, Christians, hindus etc. Day to day life, they are dealing with small world problems such as, does this outfit make me look fat? The kids are misbehaving again, shall I cut their device time or make them sit in the naughty corner?
I am not saying there aren't extremists. There are in every race, religion, city etc.
But we cannot tar with the same brush.
Another example being, what is happening in Palestine. It would be pretty stupid of me to just grab a jew on the street and start berating them.
Because I do not know how he or she actually feels about them.
Please do not let the scaremongering divide us further with a he said, she said.
We need as much peace and love in this world. It is already scary for everyone out there as it is