Islam groups calling for caliphate in Germany, aibu to be petrified?

[Primroseoil]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/protesters-germany-call-islamic-fundamentalism-caliphate-solution

Neither, it's a wind-up

Ah, that makes sense.

How did you manage to post if you are petrified as your fingers wouldn't work? 🤔

I agree. The chants of jihad in London on the marches has really changed my views.

I’m terrified that you were using Fox News as an authoritative new source

If you’re ‘petrified’, I’m Nigel Farage 🙄

Your drama llama post is as annoying as that sign.

In recent years the most severe threats to the country’s national security feature people planning atrocities linked to extreme rightwing ideology.

Why aren’t you scared of that?

Is it because you think you won’t be affected because the far right will target black, brown and Muslim people?

I’m interested in all the people accusing Fox News of being biased whilst simultaneously refusing to recognize their own bias.

in the 70s/ 80s animal rights campaigning was more of a Thing. Most campaigners were peaceful but a few were extremists who engaged in direct action of various sorts. Now animal rights was a small movement, so a small percentage of a small movement is not such a big issue. Especially as, as far as I am aware, they never killed anyone.

There are an awful lot of Muslims. They are a huge population. So even a ‘small minority’ of Muslims being extremists is a lot of people. And they are very extreme. Much more so than the 1970s/80s animal rights people.

it is worrying. If you have a large population that produces a minority who kill people, that wants to impose its woman disadvantaging laws on its population living in the West, , that wants to impose its blasphemy ideals on everyone on pain of death. That is a problem.

Are posters here aware that a teacher is still in hiding in the UK ( which means he has lost all his friendship groups and community and home and career, everything, it’s deeply traumatic) who has had his life utterly destroyed, because he gave a school sanctioned lesson on free speech using what happened with the Charlie Hebdo murders as an excuse?

Did posters here hear the Anti Social episode on radio 4 based on the boys who took a Koran into school and dropped it on the floor, and the young autistic boy who did this has received death threats and was utterly incapacitated and suicidal with terror and his mum was filmed crying and begging with apology at the mosque in the Muslim community, like she was at some Sharia court, in a desperate bid to save her son? And the ‘respectable’ Muslim representative on AntiSocial talked of how dear and venerated the Koran was to Muslims and how terrible it was for it to touch the floor. But when asked about the death threats to the teenage child ( who remember was in an extreme and terrified state of mental distress) laughed and said. ‘Oh boys will be boys, that’s just what boys are like’.
Let that sink in.

There is a problem. We should uphold values of tolerance in all communities. We should uphold our rule of law in all communities. We should not let fear or being called names, mean we are to scared to stand up to one group of people over another.

The posters here pretending there is not an issue, sneering at Fox News, are of the same mentality as those who, when whistle blowers were trying to get police and social services to take action to protect the teenage girls being raped and sexually tortured by men from predominantly Muslim communities in Rotherham ( and many other places, and it’s still going on), turned their faces away and doubtless sneered, ‘ did you read that in the Daily Mail?, because they were more concerned with not being seen as racist, in their own eyes and others, than they were about safeguarding children from sexual abuse

It’s not anti-racist to refuse to see a concern in front of you. It’s a failing, not a principle.

@blimeyblimeyslimey 100% agree.

that should have said ‘ using the Charlie Hebdo murders as an example’ ( not excuse).

I think this sort of thing is a huge problem because it fuels the far right, divisions grow stronger and stronger and people start voting for one extreme to get rid of the other extreme. It has the potential to all become very messy IMO.

Fox News is biased but CNN, MSNBC etc aren’t? Only very stupid people could seriously try and claim that.

Labelling women’s legitimate fears as hysterical is a tactic as old as time. Any woman should be alarmed at the rise of religious extremism, and shouting ‘Islamophobia’ to shut down debate is pathetic. Especially when it’s done by right-on white middle-aged women who live to virtue signal their luxury beliefs.

As for the far right - where are they all? Where are the acid attacks and honour killings they perpetrate against women? Trafficking young working class girls? Leaving a teacher in hiding for for 3 years because of death threats? In their tiny numbers, they’re undoubtedly nasty. And a radicalised loon murdered Jo Cox. But compared to Islamic extremism it’s a minuscule issue. We’ve rarely if ever had a high terror alert in this country because of right wing terrorism.

If we could discuss these things openly and honestly society would be so much healthier. For a start we could address the issue of why it’s almost almost violent MEN. Of any religion or creed. And so often their violence is against women of any religion or creed.

People say similar at the pro Hamas marches. It's quite scary what the UK will look like in 50 years time.

Fox news? Seriously?

I really think the skill of assessing any "news" for the bias of the outlet or writer has really gone out of the window.

So you think a small demonstration is petrifying but the far right extremist Alternative for Germany (AfD) is currently polling 2nd at 22% and that doesn't bother you or Fox News?

I don't think you need to worry about it as a potential outcome but the inflamed rhetoric and religious tension and the way it is amplified in the media and framed as further evidence of a weak and self hating west, at a time when people feel financially hamstrung, has always been a fucking tinderbox.

@Misthios

So you wouldn’t use MSNBC, Al jeezera etc as a news source would you?
These outlets have their own agenda just like Fox News. Doesn’t mean a story reported on the networks aren’t true though.

@blimeyslimey You're right, you would think that mums more than anyone would have concern about what is happening. I don't know if they're more concerned about not looking racist or if they're blind to it/don't venture out of their bubble to see it.

YANBU. This is a huge problem throughout Europe. There are many Iranian dissident refugees in my circle. A large population in support of Islamic regime is something to be feared.

Probably worth always bearing in mind that:

1. political parties often plop posts on here to test the water
2. there is a general election looming
3. polling yesterday showed Reform ahead of the LibDems in third place in GE voting intentions, and likely looking for ways to increase that.

Welcome to the future. You’re not wrong.

But not worth bearing in mind that there’s people in Europe actually calling for a caliphate?

Totally agree with this, and thank you for saying it.

Sorry I think I should clarify I thought OP was worried about there would be an actual caliphate which is unlikely.

I wasn’t saying that Islamic extremism/ political Islam isn’t problematic for western societies. Because clearly it is.i do think we are quite cowardly as a society about extremism. Those threatening that teacher, that poor woman and the staff at Michaela school should be tracked down and prosecuted.

I think that's a pretty rude accusation when a quick advance search shows the op posting on a number of topics around the forum.