Islam groups calling for caliphate in Germany, aibu to be petrified?

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/protesters-germany-call-islamic-fundamentalism-caliphate-solution

Yabu. This isn't going to happen

Also what about it are you terrified of? All governments are awful in my opinion anyway.

I'm Muslim by the way and I'm not looking for a caliphate state. We are actually told in the religion to respect the laws of the country you are in. So please don't paint all Muslims with an extremist brush.

Could you post some links, please? Thanks.

Thanks. I love the way lots of mumsnetters have dismissed Fox when I said lots of other media within Germany have been covering it.. I linked the fox story as it wasn't behind a paywall like the Telegraph one.. Personally I find it very disturbing that a small people want to us to change our western lifestyles to suit them instead...
Where were the Islamic women at the march? Either they don't want a caliphate or they are bit allowed protest..

So some people can express their opinions, calling for having a caliphate but you write it off as a small number people, nothing to see here folks.

Yet you don’t want a handful of posters to express their opinion about said protest and want MN to close the thread down!

What a joke

You had at least an hour to look for links yourself

Those asking for links this post might help

I, of course, didn't say that. But that sort of response is to be expected as that's the narrative.

@ClareBlue do you not think its both though, the more "extremeness" on either side is a vicious cycle as liberal policies imposed by the left push those who are naturally conservative people in the opposite direction - people forget that when we apply our liberal values to allow naturally conservative religious groups to practise their religions without challenge (so for eg.saying its perfectly ok for women to live lives of servitude to men, to have to be fully covered, yes lets celebrate world hijab day in schools) we actually allow medieval religious practises to flourish. Rather than saying, modern Europe allows religious freedom but we also uphold women's rights, that to be gay is protected within law, that we expect to live in the same society of people of all faiths and none, that we expect our populations to uphold western values. Its the type of liberal belief that says people can practise their religions how they choose that is also part of the problem.

I think you are comparing apples with oranges, though. Or do you think there is a serious chance of a radical Muslim political party being voted into power in Germany?

Islamic fundamentalism is about as 'far-right' as you can get.

Why do people throw these phrases around when they have no idea what they mean?

Surely these protestors are the far right? Or do you think a Caliphate would be a socialist utopia?

Sure:

Welt
Spiegel
Zeit
Frankfurter Allgemeine

It’s not clickbait

we all need to open our eyes to what is happening around us.

and yes countries in the Middle East were not necessarily democracies but were in many sense westernised pre the Iran revolution, the Russia war in Afghanistan etc. women wore western clothes, had rights, were educated etc etc.

these are many groups ( and growing) who are calling for increasingly Islamic lifestyles in this country, and it’s infiltrating schools, work etc. it is worrying.

it can happen anywhere and will if people don’t speak out. Unfortunately any talk is simply shut down with cries of Islamophobia, same as any talk of immigration is shut down with cries of racism, or saying men with penises are women are called transphobic- we appear to have lost any rights to have open, transparent and logical /rational debate. That in itself is deeply concerning and how these things start.

Thanks.

@millymollymoomoo the ironic thing is these countries had democracy! Until America etc decided it wasn't and then ruined everything.

Because I don't agree with your opinion I'm a right wing conspiracy theorist? Laughable.

Lol...

I mentioned both incels and the Catholic Church in my comment, as I believe extremes of ANY religion is terrifying and concerning, ESPECIALLY when they are above the law/the law is too scared to get involved.

Incels and Catholics can be and are from many cultures, races, ethnicities and socioeconomic groups.

My point was that extremes of ANY kind are bad, and this topic happens to be one of those extremes.

I love how you tried to read racism into it though and assumed you know where I am from and what I look like.

Says a LOT more about you than it does about me.

Totally agree.

The point I am making is that a very small group can have a very big impact on a society. Disproportionately so.

Although, I’d should also like to point out that few people thought the Nazis would come to power. They were initially dismissed as a small band of nutters with a fascist bent. (Yes, socialist in name and fascist in nature. A surprisingly common theme in politics).

Think about the situation in Barclay Primary School. The Muslim majority parents are protesting calling for a Muslim head teacher to represent them. So what happens when the increasing Muslim population votes in political representatives that support this. Already there are politicians in hiding and stepping down due to death threats over Gaza. That is how these views reach a position of power. It is very foreseeable.

Are you scared of the fact that Genocide in Palestine is occurring and you could be next?

Not just Fox then.

Thanks for searching for the links

Calling for it is nothing like it happening though. I expect some people have always called for it, in all kinds of countries.

Didn't say you were. I was just pointing out a different perspective.