Islam groups calling for caliphate in Germany, aibu to be petrified?

[Primroseoil]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/protesters-germany-call-islamic-fundamentalism-caliphate-solution

Straw man argument. Look it up and you may learn something.

Thank you for the fact check, I was just responding to the ridiculous claims of the poster - though I confess, I did believe it to me more than that. It's still significantly more than are in the British Army, which is maybe something to contemplate!

Yes it is Fox news. But it's been pointed out many times on the thread so far that the story has been reported similarly by many news outlets including several German ones. The basic facts of the story look to be correct at this point.

Quite. The girls in Afghanistan who can no longer go to school are probably not very happy, either. And the Afghan women who can only leave home completely covered and accompanied by male relatives.

Did you read the article? I did, it doesn’t mention anyone specific returning from ISIS. In fact, correct me if I’m wrong, Shamima Begum was the wife of an ISIS fighter and she hasn’t been allowed to return. Why would they allow an actual ISUS fighter to return? Anyway this is another distraction as you know in your heart what is the truth.

But it’s clearly stupid, surely you can see that right?

to have a caliphate there needs to be a Muslim majority and Muslim land, of which there is neither in Germany. Job done, hysteria concluded

Er, I'm not sure you know what that means! Do you or do you not consider the terrorist organisation hamas at all responsible for the current plight of the palestinians? Or you consider it entirely the fault of the Jews? Do you think hams is entirely within their rights to keep the hostages, keep chucking missiles at Israel and refusing any ceasefire - and that the Jews should just stop fighting back? You have yet to offer any condemnation whatsoever for the murdering rapist kidnappers...

And do your principles and moral code extend to the murders of the innocent Israelis on October 7th? I’m guessing not. I think it would stick in your throat to allow yourself to show any empathy towards them. I can say that my sympathies lie with all those who have died due to the actions of Hamas, that includes both Palestinians and Israelis. Can you?

So Hamas members committed, en masse, the greatest sin possible on October 7th, yes?

A diversion but worth considering.
Between 2016 & 2018 over 2,000 Muslims applied to join the forces.
In the same time frame 30 became trained force members.

The usual conversion rate of applicants to soldiers is 54%
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5ec66e9ed3bf7f4606f1e09a/FOI2019-13195-_British_Born_Muslims_in_the_Armed_Forces-Redacted__2.pdf

Something is going wrong somewhere.

Absolutely.

As I said in a previous post. It would be nice if you tried to read and UNDERSTAND what I have said. I repeat, There is no greater sin than to hurt another human being.

Absolutely right. We’ve seen democracy and especially women’s basic human rights abolished in entire countries within the past few decades. But it’s not considered polite to express concern about this spreading.

Wtf! The majority of Muslims won’t oppose FGM?! What planet are you living on Tommy Robison?

Other news outlets are available but don't feed the rabid agenda, is Fox news replacing Daily Mail as the chosen organ for MN's disapproval? God forbid if the sainted Grauniad carries the story, some people on here won't be able to cope and need lots of counselling

The Wikipedia article? No, I don't think it particularly relevant, I tend to be fussy about my sources. There were many articles detailing the return of fighters at the time, and I'm from the area that sent the most (which is probably why I thought there were more) and know that a lot returned. Shamima Begum's treatment was and is to 'set an example', I don't actually agree she should be refused return (though there may of course be things known to the authorities that are not divulged to the likes of me).

I can reassure you that I most certainly do know the truth in my heart, I have a horrible feeling however that you do not. I therefore think there's little point in continuing this exchange, you have made your position extremely clear - and I think it has been very illuminating in light of the topic of this thread. So I thank you for that, at least.

Well I don't think the OP is stupid, although I don't share her fears.

I'd agree that there's no chance of Germany (or any other western European nation) becoming run by a religious Islamic govt any time soon. But that doesn't mean that having a minority of the population who DO want this won't cause problems. Just like I don't think the UK will cave to the demands of far right groups, but that doesn't mean that a thousand people on the streets calling for brown skinned people to go back to where they came from wouldn't represent a serious problem for society.

Yes. Would you say the same about what the IOF are doing? No, from everything you’ve said so far, you believe God will forgive you. We are ALL God’s children, he created us all and loves us equally.

It should as it’s the media outlet of the Christian right wing republicans in the US.

they’ve ran such news as the war on Christmas and Birmingham UK being a Muslim only area of the UK where whites aren’t allowed entry. So yes, anything they claim vaguely Muslim related should be taken with a bucket full of salt

Yes, I don’t think that Islamic countries are very good for the women living in them, despite what some would have us believe.

Ah, there you go. The irony. Apparently your religion then is very selective in who bears sin for hurting another human being. Sounds like a one way street. Hamas can stop all these deaths by releasing the hostages. It’s they who are hurting the people they profess to be protecting. Open your eyes to who the real murderers are here.

Ah did the Muslim women who live there all get together and appoint you as their mouth piece?

i must’ve missed that announcement in the monthly global Muslim meeting 😏

Wikipedia articles are referenced and you can check the page history.

You can also use a VPN if necessary in your country.

I suppose some of the issues from OP are

Do we trust Germany to be able to police itself?

They seem to be doing OK
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/29/alleged-far-right-plotters-on-trial-in-germany-accused-of-plan-to-overthrow-state

Should protests be allowed or banned?

Ah did the Muslim women who live there all get together and appoint you as their mouth piece?

i must’ve missed that announcement in the monthly global Muslim meeting 😏

This just in - poll of afghan women finds they do in fact like to be oppressed and have basic human rights stripped away.

I mean, are you for real? What kind of Muslim would defend other Muslim girls and women being mistreated just to one up someone on Mumsnet? Or am I missing something?