Islam groups calling for caliphate in Germany, aibu to be petrified?

[Primroseoil]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/protesters-germany-call-islamic-fundamentalism-caliphate-solution

Thanks, I must have missed that.

Pure anecdata but I walked through a pro-Palestine mini protest in town on Saturday morning, and someone tried to hand me a leaflet, which I refused saying that I was not part of the fight, being white and Christian-adjacent (I am an atheist) And the shout of "shame on you" followed me down the street.

As we are apparently still allowed opinions, mine is that I seriously disapprove of all religions/superstitious behaviour, but especially proselytising fundamental religion that wants to dictate/regulate what women should wear or how they behave. I am particularly critical of any "religion" that feels entitled to dictate how women should dress or behave. Whenever men feel at liberty to control women's lives, and give themselves the power to enforce it, it is wrong. Iran and Afghanistan were quite reasonable countries for women to live in during the 1950-1970s. Education for girls was routine; there were female lawyers, doctors and teachers, former female judges have sought sanctuary in the west, for the freedom to live with their opinions . Under the Taliban/mullahs it seems to me that men would like to put the clock back 1000 years. From Boko Haram in West Africa to Kabul, it's all about denying women's opinions and intelligence. Da'esh, and I have no time for any of the nonsense.

@Happyhoppy15

"Can I politely ask why people think sharia law should be introduced for the UK. "

For a start on the major issues like murder, rape, theft etc there is no difference between sharia law and English secular law. So the idea that English secular law would be replaced in its entirety by Sharia law is ridiculous and impractical. For example I don't think Sharia law has a position on what breeds of dog are classed as dangerous!

However on the rare occasions where there is a conflict between Sharia law and English secular law IMO (and happy to be corrected) many Muslims feel that Sharia law should prevail over secular law.

That said it's pretty much a non issue.

Who are you referring to, people who have left to join hamas? Thousands of people who joined isis have returned and we don't seem to have suffered any consequence, so fingers crossed all will be well. I confess I didn't realise thousands had gone to join hams, but it doesn't surprise me.

How does Sharia law view marital rape?

Won’t happen. Just a few thousand uneducated idiots who are best ignored. Fox News are just given them the oxygen they’re looking for.

Sorry I was unclear 🤯. They have joined IOF and killed Palestinians (I did say that on my post). Way to spread misinformation. Where did you hear anyone from here has joined Hamas? And what people from ISIS have returned? 🤦‍♀️

"No difference" is doing a lot of the heavy lifting here

I actually find it more disturbing and scarey that people on here are championing Sharia Law. It’s a vile law, and has no place in civilised society.

So, it was fine when we invaded other countries and called for a Church in every village and converted whole populations to believe in "our" God. But now that some people in Germany are saying the same thing we did, suddenly you're petrified?

😂^^

No, on your post you said "people who have gone abroad to commit war crimes and enjoyed it. They dehumanised Palestinians." That description hardly refers to the people fighting the terrorists, does it - the people responsible for the horrific suffering of the palestinians are the murdering rapists who are still refusing any reasonable demands for a ceasefire, like releasing the civilians they kidnapped. I assume you aren't arguing that hamas are the innocent party here?!

Most Muslims in Germany are from Turkey, not arab countries.

I think most people think that wasn't a good thing...

It seems many countries are struggling with the idea of being accepting and progressive of all but does that include being accepting of religious choices that are not progressive to western ideals

It’s something Europe is struggling with along with the rise of the far right

we are going to see this more and more and the extreme kick back

yes it’s concerning

I don’t think that the women living in Iran right now would agree with your understanding of Islam, particularly relatives and friends of Mahsa Amini, or the many other women being beaten and arrested daily by the morality police.

If only it were just Fox reporting it - I am currently just watching one of the German main news (Tagesthemen) and they had quite a big feature on it.
I find these people a bit scary, but what I find more scary is that demonstrations like these and the reports about them will embolden the right wing extremists and push more people to vote for the AfD.*
And that is a party I do not want anywhere near power, ever. They want to "repatriate" people who are criminial. Not so bad you might think, but they also want to do the same with people who demonstrate and make their displeasure known. Scarily reminiscent of German history.

I think future historians will look back on this period as Islam's reformation and counter reformation period. The time when ideologues insisted they were right and others disagreed. But I wouldn't rule out the possibibility of a masssive conflict in between. The world and politics are that daft.

The innocent are those small babies left in their incubators to slowly die, those found in mass graves with their hands bound and shot in the head. Those thousands and thousands of people displaced from their homes, those bombed and killed and left under the rubble. Those aid workers, medical staff, journalists who were killed. The people who are being denied aid so that they will starve to death. Those innocent people, or are you saying that they are all Hamas by any chance? That’s what it sounds like and that is racist, if you didn’t know. RACIST

The post said nothing of the sort. Stop making things up to fit your own narrative. The poster was confirming what many are saying - Hamas are responsible for the current shit show. They refuse to free the Israeli hostages - presumably because most of them have been murdered already.

So your principles and moral code allow you to believe this is all justified? Let me be clear, there is no justification for what is happening. If you were religious at all , you would believe there is no greater sin than to hurt another human being.

Fact checking with references:

William Hague, then Foreign Secretary, estimated in June 2014 that 400 British citizens were fighting in Syria, some for ISIL.[5] Khalid Mahmood, a Labour MP, estimated that there were at least 1,500 Britons in ISIL.[6] A more accurate source from the BBC estimates around 850 people from the UK had traveled to Iraq and Syria to support or fight for jihadist groups.[7]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_the_Islamic_State#British_citizens_in_ISIL

You don't think the civilians rapes, murdered and kidnapped by hamas are innocent? In what way were they guilty, just of being Jewish or did they do something else to deserve it? You are presumably aware that full ceasefire has been offered several times now by Israel on condition of release of the hostages and has several timers been refused by hamas - yet you want to claim what is happening to the palestinians is still the Jews' fault? And you want to call me racist?!!

FUCKS SAKE! ITS FOX NEWS

theres all sorts of stupid going on and I don’t have the time nor patience to unpick it.

It wasn't all right then, It never was a government policy by itself.
We stopped doing it. Probably about 150 years ago. No one is supporting the idea now. We have changed.
There are many Muslims perhaps a majority who will not speak out against the imposition of strict Sharia anywhere in the world. They may not agree but will not oppose stoning to death for example or FGM.

you know in school when you learned about the holocaust and you thought to yourself ‘wow, I can’t believe people let that happen, like the world knew and did nothing about it, I could never’

i think, when our children’s children look back on 2024 they will say the exact shame thing and hang their heads in shame over the genocide of the Gazans and how the world sat by and watched and spoke of ‘both sides’ Never again means never again to anyone