Islam groups calling for caliphate in Germany, aibu to be petrified?

[Primroseoil]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/protesters-germany-call-islamic-fundamentalism-caliphate-solution

so for the record and to be clear (I have said this before)
All extremism is dangerous and to be avoided.

I’m not white either, I can’t help that (indeed I’m perfectly happy with it). Religion on the other hand is a matter of personal choice, how and why you do it are your own business unless it impacts or infringes on my rights. It is not a need for you to have a blasphemy law for everyone else, it’s a want.

What I do want is a secular society so why not ask religious people to adapt and keep their stuff to themselves. I don’t believe Muhammed was a prophet or that Jesus was the son of god so why on earth should I be compelled to behave like I do? Thats not adapting thats submission.

You know this is sensationalism, right?

You also know that laws in Britain aren’t perfect?

You could pretty much pick any legal system and poke holes in it.

Why don’t you get your understanding of shariah from women who actually live it? Not a distorted grotesque version of it, but the actual real way in which it is applied.

Again, so sick of the instant reflexive fear and hatred of Islam.

Well then I apologise @Illstartexercisingtomorrow but your post confuses me no end.

If the state is secular then surely the religious make up of the community is irrelevant?

@Illstartexercisingtomorrow

and shariah law was followed properly then civilisation flourished

And at whose expense was shariah law followed “properly?” Women? What sacrifices did they have to make? what penalties were imposed for breaking the law? I’m sure you can think of a few.

Sorry - it’s a no from me.

Why don’t you get your understanding of shariah from women who actually live it?

Is this what you’d like in the U.K.?

Well, back to the topic then.

I doubt anyone on here would be in agreement with the 1,000 people calling for a caliphate in Germany, but that is a tiny fringe and doesn’t concern me.

What I find infinitely more troubling is the rise of Christian Nationalism in America, which is a much bigger threat (both in terms of raw numbers and political power).

Only a few months ago, at the Conservative Political Action Conference (the biggest conference in the US right wing calendar), there was a speaker openly calling for an end to Democracy and it being replaced by Christian Theocracy (to rapturous applause). This has become part of mainstream right-wing politics in the US and is seemingly supported by one of our own former PMs, who also spoke at that conference.

All of those calling for religious theocracies in place of democracies can fuck right off but, for anyone who is paying attention, the real and immediate threat on that front is coming from Christianity (to be clear, not all Christians in the US and almost no Christians in the UK so far as I can see, it seems like a mostly American problem for now, but America turning its back on democracy would be very scary for the world).

Yes I agree with you. Everyone who has their own belief system or way of life should adapt and do their own thing without impacting others.

I was responding to pp who said she didn’t want society to evolve to reflect who actually makes up that society. Which i fundamentally think is a disgusting attitude.

There were slaves, so I doubt that, mainly non muslims I believe.

Yes, they traded slaves with the Vikings (the "Franks").

Anything past the centre is ‘far right’ nowadays 🙄

I don't hate islam. But i don't have any truck with religion.

Tell me then: if i have to make a statement to a shiria court do my words carry as much weight as a man?

if the answer is yes: why on earth don't people who know about it correct it whenever it is stated otherwise.

Why do women cover their hair in some places and in others are completely and utterly covered (and pretty much confined to home)?

Tbh i don't really care because i will never accept living under religious laws, and i will take to the streets to protest against the introduction of blasphemy laws. I have no truck with any religion, btw. And in fact the ones that get my dander up more than anyone else are the fundie christians in the US who have prettty much made women less than second class compared to a clump of cells. but we*re not talking about them here, we're talking about a few twats calling for a caliphate in Hamburg.

You also know that laws in Britain aren’t perfect?

You could pretty much pick any legal system and poke holes in it.

Why don’t you get your understanding of shariah from women who actually live it?

No theocratic legal system would be a legitimate, fluffy alternative to what we have now.

Got any gay people living under a Sharia regime we could ask?

Yup, it’s really strange how the calipahtes aren’t seen as imperialistic colonialist projects (I think some Iranians see them that way) but things like the British empire are. Always been curious about that.

Can I politely ask why people think sharia law should be introduced for the UK. The Muslim community only makes up 6.7% of the population so why would the UK change to sharia law? This is a genuine question, no hate intended etc. if I went to Dubai and said I wanted Christian laws would that be accepted? There is probably similar numbers

I'm certain the whole of South East Europe will disagree with you.

History clearly shows that when Islamic caliphates were the norm and shariah law was followed properly then civilisation flourished - including non Muslims who lived under that law. (No I am not advocating for a caliphate or shariah in a non Muslim country just sick of the hatred and fear of Islam).

Like the kind of peaceful flourishing caliphate in Afghanistan or the friendly one in Iran. Is that what we mean?

how much do you know about German politics?

There was a recent party conference where some far right parties suggested laws about repatriating non-Germans to wherever they came from, and for those who have been here long enough to get citizenship to be deprived of that under some circumstances and deported back where they came from.

I'm a white middle-class "new" German. I guess i'm not high on their list. Who do you think might be above me?

I know. It's really very odd.

Tbf as a brown person if I were a German I’d be more worried about the people plotting literal coups than a few twats at a march as well (I mean aside from the repatriation plan). These people had members of the police and army in their ranks. Deeply worrying in any country, It is concerning when any group try to subvert democracy.

Yep, it is very worrying.

Interesting… Are people who identify as Muslim just a lot more powerful and influential than the average non-Muslim in the Uk then?

I would be more worried about those people who have gone abroad to commit war crimes and enjoyed it. They dehumanised Palestinians. Thousands are returning. That’s terrifying.

I don't think anyone has actually suggested it, except the poster who was a troll.