"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

So your argument is Ireland has lower density so should take more people? Really? Don't think that's how it works, it is based on things such as percentage per head of population.

Right? And the UK can take Maltas, the Netherlands and Belgiums. There really shouldn't be an issue using your simplistic calculations.

No problem at all so long as they don't mind living without a roof over their head. There is a housing crisis in Ireland.

Perhaps we could set up a marquee somewhere in a forest and let them forrage for their meals.

Honestly Ireland has the space. Give me strength. We can't afford to take back the 6 counties of NI let alone hundreds of thousands of refugees.

It is not all that funny to think that being in a forest is what happens to refugees between Poland and Bulgaria. They are pushed back between the two countries. And in effect this happens between the UK and France albeit the Channel is in the middle.

It's possible that if this story is true that with a slightly hard border for immigration between UK and Ireland that you would have these camps in the NI side trying to reach Ireland. It will be an ugly business all round.

There’s a housing crisis in the UK as well.

By the way, not just a housing crisis, idiots burning every building and campsite they think refugees may have allocated to them. Ireland is in a heap at the moment

And then you have hotels who agree to close as a tourist spot and house 500 ukranians and the fire cert only covers half that.

The question I have is if people want to claim asylum in Ireland what can be done about that?

Even with the CTA how do you prevent movement or enforce it?

Absolutely agree - I wish that Ireland would steer the conversation away from that.

The thing is that it suits the UK government to say that the Rwanda policy is working and people are going to Ireland.

And it suits the Irish government to say that most asylum seekers are coming over the soft border with Northern Ireland. Asylum seekers have recently become a hotter issue here mainly due to the housing crisis. This makes the government look like they are doing something about it.

I really dislike the demonising of young male asylum seekers anyway
This so much- who the eff wants to fight in a war? Easy for people to say why are the men coming over until it’s them, their sons/ brothers or grandsons faced with it

The issue is about people with an active asylum claim in the UK coming to ireland (via Northern Ireland) and also putting in an asylum claim here.

Yes but the British people are not the British government but it is being presented like that on this thread, like the marginal difference in votes between pro Brexit and not. It is disingenuous to suggest that Ireland is laying the red carpet down, it has the same complications to deal with as most European and the UK countries.

Yes but things change, demographics change and it is normal. I am a Londoner born and breed, proper London as in West not Croydon but I am now exiled on a south coast city as is my DH who was born in Camden. We have had to move but things change.

Agree. I’m firmly in the “you don’t get to be Irish and racist” camp but anti refugee sentiment has become fairly widespread here. It’s not the same as the UK - the Rwanda plan would never roll here I believe because of our history. So It’s not on a Tory level yet but the government here are keen to show we have rules based system in place to deal with immigration and we aren’t a soft touch.

It suits Ireland to say that the brits are at it again. But ultimately I think we’ll just have to put up with it. Putting in a hard border with Northern Ireland is not going to happen.

So it’s more about an issue with double claims?

I have no idea whether than can mean a no but if it does people will start to avoid claiming in U.K. so the issue stops and just get to Ireland

I have actually said multiple times on this tread that it is the British government and I have said multiple times that I know many British people do not support. I have been very careful to do this because this is how I feel.

Please read through my posts before you call me disingenuous.

I have not said Ireland are putting out the red carpet. I have said that Ireland are willing to take their fair share. The UK govt are not willing to take their fair share and are letting Ireland clean up their mess and I don't think its acceptable.

Yes that’s the issue. I think it would be difficult to come through the UK without registering in some way. But it certainly won’t stop asylum seekers coming to Ireland.

the double claim is easily dealt with. One, Ireland have zero ability to actually know if an asylum seeker asked or not.

The asylum seeker might say, but what's in it for them?

Ireland could ask the UK but there is no process to confirm it.

And finally, even if an asylum seeker was daft enough to say yes I made an application in the UK, they could withdraw it.

So really, the double claim issue is no bar.

Except for the operational agreement the UK and Ireland have in place for this scenario. An agreement that the UK do not wish to honour.

I don't think it happen, no.

And I think that's pretty clear it will not override the right to withdraw the claim and make another by an individual - an undetermined claim may also count as well I think, so the UK could also just not decide.

Fair enough

I’m trying to work out how Ireland will resolve the issue I can’t see it so far

there will also be issue with people with failed claims coming to Ireland. The agreement goes both ways - the UK can return people here - if they have a claim here or if they had a claim that failed.

A reciprocal agreement between the two countries is in place and it does make sense I think - seeing as there is a completely open border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. A border that is not possible to close.

I think the thing is that there much that can be done unless the UK is somehow motivated to cooperate with Ireland. That is really all that could be done. Any number of things can be done to change it. It's just that they all require Rishi Sunak to want to, and that does.

Ireland, you need a much bigger stick. Like a massive costly legal problem that will bother the UK. Asking for stuff is not going to work. I wish you luck. Forget the CTA. Rishi Sunak will shred it in a heartbeat. Give him a problem.

to me it’s the same situation that the U.K. has with France. Our politicians make noises and spend millions helping French police police the French coast but ultimately the biggest determinant of arrivals on the English coast is the weather.
When the U.K. asks Macron to take the migrants back Macron says Non!
and there’s not much the U.K. can do.
UK does work together with France on multiple issues outside of this , defence etc so although our relationship with France is not great it’s also not terrible. U.K. police / security are helping France with the Paris Olympics for example. Macron asked, we said yes.