"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

I think it's fascinating. The UK isolating themselves willingly, their economy becoming worse and worse, yet people still want more isolation not yet seeing the link between the 2.

It's shit for NI though who are part of the UK and people willingly want to throw them under the bus with them.

Because that would be great for NI, a part of the UK!!

Brexit was mostly about immigration which really means border control, I didn’t vote for it but this thread showing some of the same lines on controlling borders which is interesting

I think it’ll ramp up

For sure. A big part of this is Sunak posturing pre elections. It just surprises me that so many people don't seem to be able to see that isolating yourself even if you want to call it 'protecting your borders' means isolating yourself economically too. The whole situation works both ways and the EU is less and less interested in the UK, which for the EU just means that we make up the trade that we would have done with the UK between ourselves instead.

It wasn't done by me (English) or in my name though. My English ancestors at the time were illiterate and didn't have a vote so anyone can fuck off telling me just because I am English and some English Sir Bufton Fucking Tuftons did what they always do in the past it is somehow my fault. Same thing with the current lot - Rishi doesn't represent me or my views and I didn't vote for his party so I find it very hard to be slagged off for stuff him and his pals are doing. Hating (all) the English is just racism.

@TextureSeeker - yes but consider that Brexit is giving an alternative. Now that alternative is pretty obvious when you look at the leadership of the UK now and who backs it. Do any of them have Irish links? I think not and not surprising that you get attitudes like this.

A generation ago, Ireland would have leaders from the UK who would have drawn their culture from these islands for generations. One of the ironies of the UK being diverse is that actually, the cultural assumptions behind who will always have power are changing.

The right in England does not look as it once did. It is now quite racially mixed and diverse. And it is quite explicit about how the British Empire was a good thing. It is at once diverse and insular, and a huge rejection of Europe and the EU.

My take is that already, even with a few years, there has been a sea change. The generation of leadership in the UK thinks Ireland is foreign, which is new. Sunak probably does not care about the CTA. It is worth thinking about whether the new guard are really like.

Are you suggesting that racism isn’t a problem in Ireland? This study suggests otherwise, https://www.internationalstudents.ie/news/racism-experienced-two-thirds-international-students-ireland-icos-report-shows

Totally agree. C4 news did a piece last night and they interviewed an asylum seeker camping outside the International Protection Office in Dublin. They guy had been in the UK for 17 years and his application had got no where. I mean 17 years to process someone is outrageous and this poor soul stuck in the system in limbo, he was so depressed it was horrible, people forget there are real people behind all these headlines that just want to get on with their lives in safety.

The Gardai have been deployed to the border. Let's see how that goes down.

100 officers! Like policing a colander. This is theatre

To do what though?

We have border police we still have to process asylum claims as people arrive, everyone does

No, I am not suggesting that racism is not a problem in Ireland. This is why I was careful to state that the VAST majority of Irish people are supportive of taking our fair share of asylum seekers. However there are a minority who are not supportive and this rightly makes the news. I hate to see any racist attacks or protests and they are unfortunately becoming more common. I think a lot of it is fear especially about large groups of unvetted men.

However immigration has brought a lot of benefits to Ireland. As a race we were forced to migrate all across the world and I think this gives us a lot of empathy towards immigrants. As Imelda May says "You don't get to be Irish and racist". Look up her poem if you are interested.

There are no border police between Ireland and Northern Ireland!!! Did you miss the whole hard border debate of a couple of years ago?

I’m aware that’s the issue. I’m asking what these extra 100 officers will do?

Do you know?

No idea I can't find any information that any officers have been sent there

@elevens24 can you provide a link to this claim?

Rishi said “some” migrants are going to Ireland due to Rwanda policy and Irish press reports support that. Why are you demanding numbers from him? He didn’t make any claims about numbers.

Yes that's why we can place them there - close to the 'border'

You listening Rishi?

100 officers is peanuts and in hundreds of years this border has been a sieve. If the British couldn't police it during the war it won't happen now unless Ireland want a hard border and throw everything at it. What a farce

I am very sorry you feel this way. I have been very careful in all my posts to be clear that it is the UK government policies which have impacted Ireland so badly. I even made a specific post stating that I know a large number of British people do not support those policies and are not to blame. I want to be very clear about this.

I think sometimes we Irish can be quick to blame the English. But of course at an individual level we know that not every English person is to blame.

However it cannot be denied that UK government policies have been devastating to Ireland and this continues to this day. This will only continue as the UK continues to isolate itself from its nearest neighbours.

I had a look, I’m not sure how an asylum migrant can be returned by an officer without processing, so I’m not sure what they’ll do

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/gardai-to-be-deployed-to-border-with-northern-ireland-amid-row-with-uk-over-asylum-seekers/a1762467432.html

I’m afraid Ireland is no different to every other European country on this issue,

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41333938.html

Ms McEntee said she remains firm on the figure that 80% of asylum seekers coming into the country are coming from the UK via Northern Ireland across the border.

There is a lot of political football going on and we shouldn't get dragged into it. Rishi is using the figure to suggest his Rwanda policy is working. The Irish government want the figure reduced so are reenacting an existing agreement with Britain:
The Government insists it is simply restoring an agreement it had with Britain since 2020 which allows people to be returned. This was a post-Brexit agreement which was underpinned by the Common Travel Area.

Each country wants to demonstrate to their electorate that they are on top of the migration issue and have robust systems in place and are closing any loophole that is found.

Regardless of who the politicians are in charge, Ireland and UK civil servants do have a very good working relationship and are well able to plough through the rhetoric of their governments and work effectively together on a solution.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0430/1446420-cabinet-migration-legislation/

Completely tokenistic to look like the government are "doing" something

Yes as I said there are a minority who do not support immigration and an increase in racist attacks and protests. This is sad to see.

However the vast majority of people are willing to take our fair share of immigrants. The UK GOVT are not willing to do so and are leaving it to Ireland to deal with...

The UK government are not willing to take their fair share of immigrants and are leaving it to Ireland to clean up their mess.

You are very happy to support this?