"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

Have you read any of my replies? That incident did not happen in the way it was described by certain parts of the British media.

I have no idea what you are saying in the rest. Do you want Irish people to read British right wing press so we can believe misinformation too?

Ignorance is no excuse and actually most of the ignorant comments I have received from English people about Ireland such as believing we are still part of Britain were from the older generation.

Can you tell me where I have belittled the average Brit? I have gone out of my way not to do so. You can read all my posts on this thread to see that.

I know the average brit knows nothing about Ireland. I studied A level history myself!

The major difference is that in Ireland this history is taught so it is a significant factor. Ignorant people are everywhere, even in Ireland! Parochial attitudes exist in every country and they are tested with the politics of immigration; to suggest that it isn’t in part about that is not going to solve the issues that Ireland have, along with many other European countries.

The UK always was Irelands bigger, louder, convenient fig leaf.

Now the EUs "enfant terrible" has left the table, Ireland will be judged on its own merits

Now the EUs "enfant terrible" has left the table, Ireland will be judged on its own merits
Ireland are well able to be judged on their own merits. Don't underestimate us

Yes there are ignorant people everywhere but most citizens understand their own borders and jurisdiction

Yes, I did watch how your people surrounded that attacker a few months ago, and tried to kick his head in.
I saw the racist riots.

The attacker that stabbed children? And was a threat to others?
The race riots were a disgrace and widely condemned

But not sure what any of this has to do with this thread just good old Irish bashing

So you believe in mob policing?

If the Irish govt is so concerned that they are rushing laws through , then I believe it's happening.

And the logic is that both Ireland and the UK should be able to 'return migrants to the last safe country' or neither Ireland nor the UK can. Indications are that the EU as a whole is finally considering a faster moving process to address migrant flow. About time.

My concern is that it won't stop people risking the channel crossing. If migrants want to get to Ireland, they still need to risk the channel to get to England, before then travelling on to Northern Ireland before walking across the border.

@Evanna13 it makes good sense to the UK. It says, we would prefer to speak to the EU because they have the power to affect these matters and Ireland doesn't. That was the clear message during Brexit and after to establish the WIndsor Framework. Does that mean the UK likes the EU? No. But they want to talk to the power that really operates.

The CTA is an understanding between the UK and Ireland. It is not an international treaty. Simon Harris talking about it as if it is, as if the UK and Ireland have a good relationship is wrong. They don't, do they? And why did he do it? I mean it's the diplomatic equivalent on stepping on a rake and being hit in the face.

Indications are that the EU as a whole is finally considering a faster moving process to address migrant flow.

What are you thinking of, in terms of what they’ll do?

Your comments on pitying the UK come across as a bit contemptuous and actually demonstrating a lack of understanding of British politics with it as many Brits especially in the south east of England did not want or vote for Brexit, it was almost half of Brits, it was so marginal and therefore there is not this provincial outlook en masse that you allude to when you speak generally of the UK’s position. It seems that it is deflection from the fact that Ireland are now being tested on their approach to immigration in this form.

Yeah what’s with the Irish bashing?

Was the UK a fig leaf for Ireland in the EU - I don’t know if it was. Sure back in 2008 we were going to the EU with our begging bowl. I wouldn’t personally view the UK like that.

My concern is that it won't stop people risking the channel crossing. If migrants want to get to Ireland, they still need to risk the channel to get to England, before then travelling on to Northern Ireland before walking across the border.

Other refugees come on planes and apply on the airport. I think Ireland are concerned that there will be an increased number of people who either have a failed or active asylum claim in the UK, who will now flee to Ireland to avoid Rwanda or deportation.

it won’t stop the channel crossings and Ireland will continue to get asylum claims whether they come through Northern Ireland or not. As long as there is war and poverty, people will flee and look for a better life elsewhere.

I think Ireland are changing some legal wording around safe for the U.K. in the belief an agreement kicks in

I’m not sure if talk of an agreement is to divert their electorate so they can say see they won’t uphold it. But they do need the U.K. to say ok, which they won’t

In any case any claim there’s extra to the CTA will need to be evidenced.

Merely declaring a country safe does not mean there’s an agreement, otherwise we could return to France

I think the point is that Brexit is done. It would be a bit foolish to imagine that the links between Britain and ROI would improve. Obviously this mess shows quickly it will get worse.

My bet is, as you can see already, that the CTA will be nibbled away by the fact that the UK and Ireland are not both in the EU. The UK is already saying in effect that the EU is who really has power over borders. And of course that is their direct experience when the EU came in to back up Ireland on GFA (another bilateral agreement between the UK and Ireland). That was a strong message the UK received and so there is a strong element of naivety to imagine on something like the CTA which is far below that in terms of commitment, that the UK would not conclude that the real power is the EU.

London is a perceptibly less Irish city than it was even ten years ago. Then it would have been common to have Irish neighbours or colleagues. Now? My new neighbours and colleagues are from India or have strong family links there. The change is fast.

I don’t think they believe an agreement “kicks in” . Of course nobody thinks saying a county is safe makes an agreement. The existence of an operational agreement has been acknowledged by both sides. The UK are not upholding it because it is not legally binding.

What a collaborative outlook you have. I have a reason for the ignorance bit of sweeping generalisation to state that ‘most’ of us don’t have an understanding of our borders.

gave not ‘have’.

Yes it’s what’s holding it up hence the emergency legislation

What is it? Has anyone seen a version of the wording?

I’d like to see what the agreement looks like that a country thinks it can return asylum seekers en masse

Arrangements. Not agreement. Quite a big difference in law

What is holding what up? Obviously the emergency legislation will do nothing as the UK have said that they aren’t upholding the arrangement.

They apparently can’t share the wording for security. But apparently it a reciprocal agreement whereby people who have claimed/a failed claim for asylum on one side can return to the other side. Westminster don’t seem to be denying it’s existence though.

The CTA is an understanding between the UK and Ireland. It is not an international treaty. Simon Harris talking about it as if it is, as if the UK and Ireland have a good relationship is wrong.

He approached the UK as if they may be reasonable and honorable, obviously after Brexit we all know that this isn't the case given the appetite the UK had to break International Law and the disregard they had for the Good Friday agreement which threatened peace for their own citizens. I don't think it would be in our countries best interest to approach the UK government like they are thick buffoons though.
If you know someone is going to say no anyway looking like the reasonable one while the other looks unreliable is always the best way, Ireland doesn't wish to isolate itself on the world stage, we know the value of good International relations and it shows in our large budget surplus.

That is true. Everyone is in agreement- it’s not legally binding and is merely an arrangement.