"Migrants going to Ireland," states Rishi Sunak PM

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AIBU to believe this is fake news, hype at best??

Indeed, some may be going to "Ireland,! and may have been doing so
for the last two years anyway.s or so.

Therefore, what was the number of migrants/boat people that went to Ireland from Jan 1st and Dec 31st in 2022 and the year ending 2023??

As I've said many times, I don't trust any politician or political party for that matter as they are on the whole, in it for themselves.

Message to Rishi Sunak, PM - Please give us the numbers. (I bet you it is no different to what was happening previously)

https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-says-migrants-going-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-as-a-deterrent-13123815#:~:text=Migrants%20travelling%20to%20Ireland%20after,was%20%22exporting%20the%20problem%22.

Ireland and the UK were completely united on the vaccine thing.

I’m fascinated by the seemingly lack of comprehension of the British public on the issues that brexit through up on Northern Ireland. A child in the street here would give you a better overview of it than the average head in the UK. I’m still reeling from the serious interviews were are ministers were asked why we wouldn’t just leave the EU as well.

So no the comments here are not similar.

Nobody is asking anyone “to help the Irish out” honest to god. There is an operational agreement in place; the Uk are staying it’s not legally binding so they won’t honour it and the Irish government are making noise about it. Which you would expect.

Ultimately I don’t think it is going to be a big deal. The Irish government will be only delighted to use Britain as an excuse for rising asylum seekers numbers anyway as it’s becoming a hot potato.

As an example There was much merriment when Varadkhar said during Brexit that he would stop U.K. planes flying over Ireland.
until U.K. pointed out that it was the RAF that patrolled Irish skies.
that sort of posturing from the Irish government goes down like lead balloons in parts of U.K. media.

Where are returns covered in the CTA?
I doubt it is, it is dealt with in a different agreement

Which one?

UK citizens never have and never will understand Ireland and the history of the two nations so there is zero point trying to explain it here. I mean half of them think Ireland is still part of the UK fgs

Because the UK expected little Ireland to roll over and accept anything the UK says.
Ireland are PART of the EU so of course the EU were involved.
The UK govt were more than happy to break international law and ignore the GFA. Ireland did their best not to allow this to happen.

No it doesn't. It is a citizen based understanding.

To say that it deals with returns is stretching it because one "operational arrangements" are not a legal commitment that means anything. If Harris tries to produce an actual agreement I would be surprised. There is a political reason for that. On both sides. If he does reveal these operational arrangements he probably blows up a much worse political problem for himself on the operation of the CTA.

He should not have said it. I listened to his performance in the Dail. Yes he was taking punches everywhere because of that mistake. He probably regrets backing his over ambitious justice minister

https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-uk-asylum-seeker-row-irish-pm-insists-westminster-must-honour-current-agreement-13126145

On Tuesday morning, Irish PM Mr Harris told Sky News: "There is already an agreement in place between Ireland and Britain since 2020.

It is referenced here that is as much as I know

Is this the best you can come up with?!

Much merriment from Sun readers. The Taoiseach was referring to the Single European Sky and the comment was taken out of context, it was never a threat. Accuracy seems to be lost by some parts of the UK media.

No that’s one example and just a silly one but points out that Irish politicians should be careful making comments sometimes. CTA is one example and closing Irish air space is another!
engage brain before opening gob.
i would like to see all this CTA chat disappear rather than a spotlight on it from Westminster as I benefit from it !

Do you think Ireland should have sat back and allowed the UK to break International law and break the GFA during Brexit negotiations?

That’s very opaque and muddied but it probably reflects the position Ireland is in which seems haphazard, with sage country declaration and 100 officers

The UK is not going to agree to a large number of asylum seekers being returned, even if that is physically possible.

Going back to pp people will not be searched and rounded up crossing a soft border and if they are how and where are they taken?

Once movement of people changes direction there’s very little a country can do bar process as Aus does, if they do the hardline option

@Evanna13 - take the emotion out of it. The CTA is a fragile thing. It's an agreement by understanding. Look at who is still in power in the UK. Nothing has changed. This government despise the EU and by proxy are not happy about Ireland either. If you expect them to suddenly decide that both are worth dealing with except in some circumstances which benefit it directly, that would be wrong.

Not sun readers, spectator readers and that is the magazine all the U.K. politicians read. It has influence and it is not pro Ireland imo ( unfortunately)

@EasternStandard / you and I are on totally different ends of the political spectrum but I do think that the chances of Simon Harris producing a written agreement which deals with this beyond legal doubt are about as good as a snowball's chance in hell. He has made a big mistake

I do not expect the UK govt to start dealing nicely, they have never dealt nicely with Ireland, long before the EU were involved!
I think there is a lot of bitterness in the UK towards Ireland because they have started to stand up for themselves and because they have the backing of the EU.
The UK are further isolating themselves and are not in a good place.

Are we I’m not sure, but yes you’re likely right about snowball chance

I do have a huge interest in law, human behaviour and what will happen in the next few years so I’m attracted to information on this topic

I appreciate you have insight due to your career. That’s great (I actually met someone who had a great job with all
this stuff the other day, similar to my old career but this focus)

Anyway on all these threads I have been saying think about what will happen in the next few years and how financially backed trafficking is etc as confirmed on R4 today

On this particular issue I think some of those issues are being exposed, countries have almost no power over returns. All they have is other location processing, within international law

Anyway tldr - I have appreciated calmer insights on this thread from all directions, they usually blow up into name calling etc

But the UK has made that decision hasn't it? It doesn't want to engage with EU or Ireland. In fact it's giving a clear message. It wants to speak to the EU, not Ireland. Because it recognizes who really plays the tune!

But nobody said we would close Irish airspace. So it’s a very very silly one: because it’s misinformation. There is a grain of truth in it but it has been twisted and pulled out of context in order to influence people’s opinions.

It’s obviously in our interest to have a good relationship with the UK.

Do you honestly think ireland shouldn’t reference the CTA agreement when speaking about this issue: it is apparently an extension of this agreement that covers this issue.

Your post does not make any sense. First you say it doesn't want to engage with the EU , then you say it wants to talk to the EU!

Yes the UK has made their decisions, to their own detriment, unfortunately for them. It gives me no pleasure to see the UK in its current sad state. I would love to see both the UK and Ireland thriving.

The CTA doesn’t cover it, I’m not sure what they’re referring to. They may need to be specific

Sometimes I think when people say (and this applies to many scenarios) that someone is "not working with them" what they mean is they haven't agreed with me and given in to my demands.

But the UK has responded - by saying it will work with an EU wide agreement.

I also think that if you want to come to an agreement you have to understand the other perspective - so yes that means reading right wing press - as then you can see what those people think.

Too much media is just echo chambers so when confronted with an opposing opinion and a completely opposite pov people don't know what to say as they have not heard the argument before and no counter argument.
we're all guilty of this

Rule number 1 - Don't make silly comments for political posturing purposes.
Don't threaten to close Irish skies when you have no clue how to do that or if it's even possible and when the country whose planes you are threatening to exclude are actually the country that protect your own skies.
What did Varadkar think would happen? RAF jets would scramble to escort a BA flight to New York from Heathrow Airport out of Irish Air space?
Who did he think would authorise that? It was v silly thing to say (and yet at same time very serious) during Brexit negotiations and he was the man in charge and it played badly in UK press.

people remember this stuff unfortunately

You are still talking about that ridiculous comment!
I think you need to read your own post and educate yourself!

The Uk is a very unequal society now, it is definitely not a ‘sad state’ for some.

Belittling the average Brit is not really a cooperative approach. The average Brit doesn’t know much about Irish and British relations for a couple of reasons that they are under 30 and the impact was not something they witnessed.The second and main reason is education, it is simply not taught in History lessons- I am surprised that my DS who is studying History A level is not covering Ireland as I did in the mid 90s. My married surname is Irish but my DH whose Grandma was born in Ireland knows less than me.