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Being sent a sympathy card with inappropriate comments

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notedbiscuits · 26/04/2024 12:42

This person is a former friend and colleague. She has done this practice of sending sympathy cards to people she hasn’t spoken to in years. Again with unsympathetic comments. I know she looked through the death messages in the local rag.

The thing - card about a relative that I lost in January. Hardly anyone knew about the death.

The message is inappropriate and upsetting. Not spoken to her in 9 years as I got fed up with her racist attitude.

On a few occasions she has turned up to funerals sitting near the back. Again why?

She’s 73, married.

I don’t think I’m the one to tell her that stop doing this hurtful things.

OP posts:
Boomer55 · 26/04/2024 17:48

notedbiscuits · 26/04/2024 15:23

The card is now shredded. What she wrote was something on the lines of “time heals old wounds” and you will get over this.

My colleagues, former colleagues and myself have asked her not to come to retirement/leaving/milestone birthday dos anymore as twice she went to them and didn’t talk to the person in question’s do at all - not even a hello or goodbye. That’s insulting

I lost my DH last year, and received many cards from all sorts of people. All were appreciated. That card doesn’t sound inappropriate. Time doesn’t heal, but you do adjust.

Pluviophile1 · 26/04/2024 17:49

Ive edited my post, as I'm not sure that what she put is 'unsympathetic'. If you are offended, then she is best ignored. Give her words no power.

FinkleFlint · 26/04/2024 17:51

I think sending a bereavement card to an ex colleague who you aren’t in touch with, haven’t spoken to for a decade, and who has previously asked you to stop attending events they see you at, for a relative of theirs you didn’t even know, is weird and at best a risk – there was always a distinct possibility in this scenario that it wouldn’t land well

For those saying the woman's being ‘unfairly excluded’ (as though you’re obliged to stay in touch with some random you once worked with), OP says clearly in the first post that she distanced herself years ago because she is racist

Arrestedforit · 26/04/2024 17:51

@notedbiscuits Im sorry for your loss, but try to reframe her actions.
She took the time to pick out a card, get a stamp, dig out your address and get to a post box, all the while no doubt thinking about you, and reflecting on hard bereavement is, especially the loss of a parent.
her words may have been clumsy, but the spirit was most likely coming from a place of kindness with no intention to upset you.

kittensinthekitchen · 26/04/2024 17:52

FFS I was expecting something like "Sorry to hear about Uncle Frank. I once had a dream about him finger-banging me round the back of the Co-op."

What other 'inappropriate' things does she write in these cards?

MadameDeLaRue · 26/04/2024 17:54

I'm totally bemused by your anger, having seen the comment she put in the card. That's fairly standard sympathy card material.

TheseWomen · 26/04/2024 17:54

kittensinthekitchen · 26/04/2024 17:52

FFS I was expecting something like "Sorry to hear about Uncle Frank. I once had a dream about him finger-banging me round the back of the Co-op."

What other 'inappropriate' things does she write in these cards?

😀😀😀

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/04/2024 17:56

KreedKafer · 26/04/2024 15:26

Again, this is fine IF THE FUNERAL IS THAT KIND OF FUNERAL and that is the behaviour expected by the family of the deceased. But lots of funerals are not like that. Not all funerals are like Catholic funerals in Catholic countries.

I, for example, have never in my 48 years been to a funeral that took place at normal daily Communion service.

In fact, I've only ever been to one funeral that was even in an ordinary parish church, and that was the funeral of a family friend when I was a teenager. Every other funeral service I've ever been to has been a) in a slot specifically booked for the funeral and nothing else and b) at a crematorium chapel. All of my four grandparents' funerals were secular and conducted at the crematorium by a Humanist celebrant. My uncle's funeral was conducted at the crematorium by his son-in-law who led some prayers and stuff, but he's not a priest.

I was recently at a funeral attended by someone the deceased had specifically asked not to come. The funeral director took legal advice and said they could not be prevented.They wished to "say goodbye" to the deceased.

GoonieGang · 26/04/2024 18:01

FinkleFlint · 26/04/2024 17:51

I think sending a bereavement card to an ex colleague who you aren’t in touch with, haven’t spoken to for a decade, and who has previously asked you to stop attending events they see you at, for a relative of theirs you didn’t even know, is weird and at best a risk – there was always a distinct possibility in this scenario that it wouldn’t land well

For those saying the woman's being ‘unfairly excluded’ (as though you’re obliged to stay in touch with some random you once worked with), OP says clearly in the first post that she distanced herself years ago because she is racist

And she is of course entitled to do so. The old lady is also entitled to turn up at a funeral.
OP doesn’t have to interact and has binned the card. It’s a non issue unless it’s bothering her so much to report it to the police. If racist comments were made, that should have been the first port of call. It may have stopped her attending the funeral and sending the card in the first place.

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/04/2024 18:02

FinkleFlint · 26/04/2024 16:02

It’s not irrelevant in the context of the posts Kreed was replying to

And the discussion wasn’t about whether it’s legal to go to any funeral you want to and neither introduce yourself nor offer condolences. It’s whether it would be considered polite / the norm, and how it’s likely to be received by the bereaved. It’s a question of etiquette, not legality.

I can understand someone going to a funeral of a person from their past, but not wanting to intrude, so sitting at the back, and slipping away without speaking to anyone. That's not weird, it's not rude.

It would be far ruder to stay around for the wake, stuff yourself as if you hadn't eaten for a week, and then ask for a doggy bag.

Itsonlymashadow · 26/04/2024 18:04

FinkleFlint · 26/04/2024 16:20

It obviously varies depending on the community

But I think broadly it’s fair to say that in Ireland it’s not outside the norm to attend funerals of people you don’t really know

In a way that is a lot more unusual in England, where it’s generally considered a more intimate affair

So in the communities I lived in, several places in Ireland and England. Communities my friends are from. It is quite normal.

I work with 3 people brought up in Ireland. And as I am in England, work with lots of English people. Lots of English and Irish attended my mums funeral. People who were there because they know me, my brother, my adult daughter.

its really not that uncommon. It’s actually a fairly common joke among the older people I know. Talking 70 plus.

I appreciate you haven’t experienced it. But plenty of people have. As this thread proves. It’s not that unusual.

loropianalover · 26/04/2024 18:05

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ButWhatAboutTheBees · 26/04/2024 18:07

WearyAuldWumman · 26/04/2024 17:18

You certainly could during lockdown and I dare say that it's possible to keep someone out of church during a private service.

ETA Ushers certainly do that for wedding services.

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Lock down was different...

You cannot ban someone from a church. Wedding, funeral or otherwise

WearyAuldWumman · 26/04/2024 18:14

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 26/04/2024 18:07

Lock down was different...

You cannot ban someone from a church. Wedding, funeral or otherwise

https://farewill.com/articles/can-you-legally-stop-someone-coming-to-a-funeral

"One way to avoid having to deal with an unwanted guest is to have a completely private funeral. Usually it’s only a few family members and close friends who come to this sort of funeral.

Be clear in any announcements about the death of your loved one that it’s by invitation only."

Can you legally stop someone coming to a funeral?

Worried someone could be disruptive at your loved one’s funeral? Here, we look at the options for keeping them away – and what to do if you can’t.

https://farewill.com/articles/can-you-legally-stop-someone-coming-to-a-funeral

Gwenhwyfar · 26/04/2024 18:16

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 26/04/2024 14:53

It happened to me with a christening. Normal church service and halfway through we all had to turn round to the font (at the back) and welcome little Archibald and listen to all the vows. So his parents and their friends and relatives had randomers like me at their ceremony.

That's totally normal with christenings. They are often part of the usual service, but the christening party know that.

Gwenhwyfar · 26/04/2024 18:18

"The card is now shredded. What she wrote was something on the lines of “time heals old wounds” and you will get over this."

What's so bad about that?

butterpuffed · 26/04/2024 18:19

LookItsMeAgain · 26/04/2024 16:52

I'm sorry for your loss @notedbiscuits .

If you have her postal address, I would start sending her a card a month or a fortnight. First few would be funny cards like "Best of luck with your Driving Test" and "On your 16th/18th/21st Birthday"
Next would be "Good luck with your retirement"
Next would be "Sorry you're under the weather"
and so on.

Card factory is great for cheap greetings cards.

Leave the inside with whatever message comes printed on the card.

Then sign off "A friend".

Post them from random post boxes in your area.

The key thing here is to have a bit of fun at her expense. All you're doing is sending her cards. Not being malicious in any way.

Edited

A strange post 😳

FlexIt · 26/04/2024 18:20

@notedbiscuits i dont see anything inappropriate about her message nor the fact that she sent it. It may have been unwanted though.

Wolfpa · 26/04/2024 18:20

That is a standard message in most condolences cards.

take a breath, focus on other things.

Iwasafool · 26/04/2024 18:21

FinkleFlint · 26/04/2024 17:51

I think sending a bereavement card to an ex colleague who you aren’t in touch with, haven’t spoken to for a decade, and who has previously asked you to stop attending events they see you at, for a relative of theirs you didn’t even know, is weird and at best a risk – there was always a distinct possibility in this scenario that it wouldn’t land well

For those saying the woman's being ‘unfairly excluded’ (as though you’re obliged to stay in touch with some random you once worked with), OP says clearly in the first post that she distanced herself years ago because she is racist

No she said she distanced herself because of her racist attitude. Given how she has interpreted the card I'm not sure I'd place much faith on how the OP has judged her attitude.

Solgrass · 26/04/2024 18:22

So-

  1. It’s an elderly woman
  2. Who struggles socially; Not talking to others at parties, sending cards to people she is no longer in contact with
  3. Ostracised from work colleagues because of said struggles in social settings.
  4. Has send a card in good faith and has expressed sympathy.

Theres only one person I feel sympathy for in this scenario.

Georgyporky · 26/04/2024 18:23

"My colleagues, former colleagues and myself have asked her not to come to retirement/leaving/milestone birthday dos anymore as twice she went to them and didn’t talk to the person in question’s do at all - not even a hello or goodbye. "

So stop telling her, or publishing the information for all to see.
Is that so difficult ?

PerfectTravelTote · 26/04/2024 18:23

She's clearly nuts.
Just ignore.

ruffler45 · 26/04/2024 18:25

Draw a line under it, do nothing and move on in life, noone will probably turn up to her funeral.

TheseWomen · 26/04/2024 18:26

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I don't think anything about her sounds 'batshit'. She does sound as if her social skills aren't very good, and as if she's lonely, if she's attending funerals of people she had only tenuous links with, and returning, unwanted, to a workplace to attend other people's retirement dos.

Which is obviously not the OP's problem, but it may explain to an extent the slightly clumsy phrasing of the sympathy card, and why she might be reading the death notices.

To me, it's much weirder that the OP describes her funeral-going and sympathy cards as 'hurtful things'.