Male Nursery Staff

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My child is in Nursery after my return to work. They nursery chain have been hiring make staff recently. My child's nursery has 3 male staff.

My daughter's nappy was changed by a male member of staff. For my own personal reasons I feel upset about this but not sure if I can even say or do anything. I just don't like it.

Ah yes and male teachers have NEVER done anything to children either 😒

Your being ridiculous. Those male staff undergo the exact same background check as any female staff. Those men could well be fathers. Has your child ever been changed by their father in their life? This is no different, it is their job.

Black men are statistically much more likely to commit violent crime than white men , so would it be okay to exclude black men from certain jobs on tjis basis? Women are much more likely to be off work sick so, would it be okay for an emplyer to have a policy of not putting any women in responsible jobs?

@ToryHater I agree. Another example - in order to eliminate risk of terrorist attacks during the rise of Isis, all Muslims could have been locked away as statistically all suicide bombers were Islamic.

I doubt the statistics regarding race are anywhere near as dramatic and consistent as sex. A cursory look at UK statistics shows a modest difference and then goes into other details that intersect with this.

Thing is, we do make judgements like this all the time. For example teachers are going to be far less wary of a white family claiming to take a female child out for a 'holiday' in the middle of term late ks1 early KS2 than a Muslim family taking a girl out for similar reasons due to fgm being prevalent in that culture.

Safeguarding has to trump sensitivities otherwise you get preventable situations like Rotherham or the fact fgm was tolerated till way too recently I'm this country.

The most troubling thing about this thread is that the people who believe they are ‘safeguarding’ children from men are the ones sexualising them.

I wouldn't like it either.
Just change nurseries

What a bizarre take

Well this is how crbs work. You get all the applicants in a room, flash-up a scenario and then ask them how could we prevent child abuse in this situation.

You then write down the names of who is actively participating. They don't get a crb. Those making paper aeroplanes or banging on about how we can't suspect the person in the example because of equality/intersectionality/transphobia get a crb.

You then do a media trawl and anyone who likes anything remotely old or pearl clutchy gets cut.

True story bro.

Who says? If the has an accident at school it will be whichever members of staff are available. Primary schools have male staff and there are plenty of occasions in early years and above when support is needed as regards toileting.

So now all male staff are akin to perpetrators in the Rotherham case. That is discrimination. Male staff should not be made to feel like that and it’s not ok for the op and others similar to whip up a witch hunt like this.

What are you talking about?

@Chocaloc so your saying a make teacher would be happy to put himself in a situation where he is alone with a female child who requires help with toileting. No one would be happy with that. A female should be called for this and schools have plenty of females so no excuses at all. My brother is a teacher and he would never put himself in this position and a female is always called. The school allow this so strange how they think it's ok to ensure female present isn't it, basic safeguarding really to protect all involved

No member of staff male or female would be alone. Both are regarded to be the same as regards risk. Men are not banned from intimate care any more than women are but both sexes would always need to do intimate care with somebody else.

@Crystallizedring

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/28/devon-nursery-worker-found-guilty-of-sexually-assaulting-children

@Chocaloc

Is the ideal, but it can happen. Nurseries are very busy, a member of staff off ill can mean that procedures aren’t always followed. The nursery linked above was deemed to have good safeguarding procedures by OFSTED.

Trawling through for links is ridiculous, similar links have been posted for female nursery workers.

Being male does not make you a risk to children by default. We have laws to protect workers from discrimination and the OP really should think about doing her own childcare if she doesn’t feel she can abide by such laws.

@Chocaloc

I don’t think it’s ‘trawling through links’ - it’s having an awareness. Would you advocate that news on such things should be muted to avoid discrimination - or should the public be aware that this can happen? If I was a parent affected by that case, I absolutely think I should have the right over choice for future intimate care for my child.

In regards to choice over male/female doctors - I agree with this : “Avoidance of male providers is not discrimination; it is a matter of self-defense rooted in a very real problem of sexual and physical violence that is often perpetrated by men who have historically escaped culpability for their destructive actions. It is a matter of patient safety, which should always be our first priority.”

I think, in your position, I would be looking for a childminder I felt as comfortable with, then I would know it is only that person dealing with my child’s care.

It’s pointless because others have put several for women. You can find a link for anything.

Good luck with your bottom paragraph given the lack of childcare which female doctors would find even worse if this ridiculous witch hunt didn’t have laws in place to prevent it in the workplace. I’d be very afraid of going through an NHS insisting on zero male consultants, doctors or nurses. All the lead paediatric consultants on our paediatric wards are male but hey you crack on. It will leave more appointments for the rest of us. Do you realise how many men work in the NHS, schools, CAMHS, children’s services etc? Your poor children will end up with no provision anywhere.

Wouldn't bother me because females pose far lower risk. 99% of sexual offences are committed by men.

Being male does make one more of a risk, by an extraordinarily high percentage. Not all men are sexual predators but almost all sexual predators are men.

@Chocaloc

It’s not ‘pointless’ otherwise news sources wouldn’t bother to make the public aware. I’d say all these news sources have a point, and a bury head in sand attitude isn’t going to solve the problem.

Statistics - globally - state that the overwhelming majority (around 90%) of these types of crimes are committed by males. It’s not discriminatory to state that, it’s the way the world is. So until that statistic is not heavily gender weighted, unfortunately I think the attitude to gender will still exist.

The crux is changing that 90% statistic. THAT is the key to stopping discrimination.

So 90% of nursery crimes are male- link please.

The majority of crimes against women are by men known to them. Instead of diverting resources in ridiculous witch hunts maybe focus on that a little.

Being male does not make you a risk to women by default.

I'm appalled, women have fought for years for equality in male dominated areas, but when this is reversed not only does it make the gender who has suffered inequality for years uncomfortable, it's justified by branding all men potential pedophiles due to statistics.

It's shameful, stuff was said about women years ago relating to us not having the constitution to run marathons, too emotional for the front line i could go on. I thought that was bad, this inequality is being justified by thinking men are not only potential criminals but ones if the worst kind due to statistics. While they do account for most pedophiles and female account for most victims it can not be applied to a whole gender, this kind of thing is prejudice, discrimination and make sweeping statements against certain members of society. Would we make these presumptions based on race, disability or god forbid women?

The statistics are valid but should not be misconstrued. Information can be dangerous in the wrong hands. I fear this is happening on this post.

Just to add, fir those who think that due to the statistics, should we ban all males from any caring roles, contact from women at all just in case?

This seems a.bonkers reaction, over the top, which means unless there is some real concern we can't stop men in these roles, and nor should we. The decent ones out there should be encouraged to.make a difference, challenge stereotypes and kick the arse out of the ones that behave badly.