Right wing thugs 'protecting the flag' on St George's Day

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Cruella's boot boys out on the street again protecting our British freedoms in their usual brutish fashion with violent disorder. She must feel very proud.

And I said you and others would prefer to be wilfully ignorant than accept that black/brown men commit a disproportionately large percentage of sexual crimes also the stats didn’t show that!

I didn't say you didn't respond - I said you would prefer to be wilfully ignorant as you still won't acknowledge the stark facts.

Black people weren’t dragged into the discussion initially , comparison was made with the policing of the BLM protests. In this country most BLM protestors were white.

It then moved on to immigration which again, isn’t about “black people”.

Anyway it's time for my "performative flounce" to work 😉 Be back in the morning if you're still going.

There have been quite of lot of posts, so I may well have missed your stats.
Could you provide a link to the one that shows that those not born in the UK are more likely to commit violent and sexual crime than those who were born here.

This doesn't make sense I didn't mention race

Shame these knuckle dragging morons couldn't see their way to "protecting" the weak, the vulnerable and the needy who live under that flag isn't it ?

Those who missed @MarioIa posts - they are easy to find by scrolling back

You asked if calling a Muslim ‘gammon’ was racist 🤯

You haven’t posted any stats that back up your claim that in the UK, sanctuary seeking brown skinned men commit more sexual assaults than white skinned men born here. That’s what you’ve been asked to prove and you haven’t. You can’t go around saying stuff like that and think you won’t be challenged on it.

Some brown skinned men have appalling attitudes to women and commit heinous crimes. Some white skinned men do too. What you haven’t proved is if one group commit more crimes than the other.

Yes that particular claim hasn’t been backed up yet. I don’t believe it. It’s scapegoating in the extreme and has come out of unhelpful social media echo chambers, at a guess.

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Sorry, I wasn't so much referring for you. Two posters asked me for stats (one multiple times) and both seem to have gone quiet now.

I'm not saying in any way we should ban immigration. I'm just giving reasons why some people react badly towards it. It was only really a passing point but I'm a little surprised how many posters are actively resistant to acknowledging the facts.

Facts are facts. They're not racist because they're objective. It's no more racist/xenophobic to say that certain cultures commit more sexual violence than it is sexist to say that men commit more sexual violence.

I thought I had missed it, with all the sudden need to talk about what was occuring in other countries.

That's because I'm talking about Europe as a whole, not just the UK. I specifically said that to another poster earlier in the thread who was asking for UK figures.

However, I did reference a source explaining that sexual crimes have risen in every European country for which we have the available data, particularly in the UK and Denmark. It said that the rise in sexual crimes is directly linked to the number of asylum seekers taken in.

The key factor isn't which country these men end up in. It's the culture they've come from which influences their behaviour. I've posted plenty of data showing that these men feature prominently in sex crimes in Europe (e.g. 75% of gang rapes over a five year period in some countries) and if they're committing these crimes in France, Germany, Sweden, Holland, Belgium, Austria, Denmark, etc, why are they suddenly going to behave if they come to the UK?

Yes, the statistics are shocking but the answer is not ignoring them or shooting the messenger. We're the demographic being preyed on here.

The reaction can be surprising on a mostly female site. I’d prefer to see priority of women not the backlash

Which isn;t TRUE if you read my response - I know it would kill you to admit you are wrong but you are - do I get a horse now?

You haven’t provided a reference. Correlation doesn’t equal causation. I think it’s very important to look at the causes of sexual crime and tackle them, but it’s very divisive to just look at immigration in isolation. 100% of murders are bread in the last week before they murdered. Bread is dangerous.

But when you have government statistics showing that certain demographics are responsible for 75% of gang rapes over a five year period despite being a tiny % of the overall population it's certainly worth at least investigating, would you not agree?

But the reverse is what happens. People actively try and find reasons not to consider the stats.

The fact that the cultures these individuals come from have shocking records in women's rights is not a coincidence IMO.

Look at the example I gave earlier about what happened to the reporter Lara Logan when working in Egypt. Can you honestly imagine a woman being gang raped for 30 mins in broad daylight in a busy public area in most western European countries? The only similar instances we've seen are the ones I've referenced above which were perpetrated by non-European men and asylum seekers.

I'm not making this stuff up.

And I did provide a reference. It was the book Prey by Hirsi-Ali. All the stats I referenced are in there. You can find many of them in excerpts/articles online.

Here is a link to some of the stats I referenced from the book. As I said, I lent the actual book to somebody a while back but that's neither here nor there as I'm not going to be scanning and uploading pages from it.

https://ayaanhirsiali.com/articles/migrants-and-the-threat-to-womens-rights-in-europe

The below is exactly what we are seeing on this thread.

I think Western feminists excuse the misogyny inherent in Islam, and practiced by many Muslims, because thinking about it puts them in a situation of cognitive dissonance—they are forced to criticize the behavior of a group they consider oppressed (Muslims) if they want to promote the rights of another group they consider oppressed (women). It’s a clash between two classic progressive values, and to a large extent Western feminists have chosen Islam over women. Why they’ve made that choice baffles me.

Sadly, even if you consider all Muslims oppressed—and I don’t—being oppressed is no guarantee of virtue. Western women should stop coddling all religions that have misogynistic attributes, and those are not limited to Islam.

@Mariola I will never understand the alliance between Western feminists, the Left and Islam.

The pp has posted the reference for the info