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To be sick of the breast is best brigade?

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Bex5490 · 21/04/2024 15:13

Currently sat in a maternity waiting room, waiting to be told that I have a condition which I’ll need to take another round of antibiotics for. Which as I’m breastfeeding will probably give my 1 month old baby ANOTHER round of visibly uncomfortable oral thrush.

There is a video on the TV screen about how everyone should breastfeed playing on loop and what a bloody wonderful thing it is…

With my last baby I had such bad mastitis and suffered through until it was unbearable. The only advice my midwife ever offers now or offered then was keep going with the breastfeeding because…breast is best.

One of my friends had a low milk supply and her baby screamed day and night almost giving her a nervous breakdown until she reluctantly gave in and guiltily offered the baby a bottle.

I know I don’t want to keep giving my baby thrush through the antibiotics or pump all day for a smidgen of milk…so I’m going to switch to formula but something inside still feels guilty and like I’m not doing right by my baby because of the 9 months of people chiming on about how…breast is best.

For the sake of a mother’s mental health surely the message should be a bit more nuanced…

OK - Probably hormonal and living on chunks of 2 hr naps. Rant over!

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HauntedBungalow · 21/04/2024 17:52

Ah, most babies in the UK are formula fed. Don't worry about it. Hope you feel better soon.

SabreIsMyFave · 21/04/2024 17:53

Clearly some women are unable to get baby to latch, and some women don't produce much milk, but I don't understand why anyone who IS able to breastfeed doesn't, and I am baffled by those who don't even give it a go.

And at the end of the day, breast IS best. No-one can deny that. On no planet is formula better than breastmilk. It's fine and good and decent, but let's not kid ourselves that it's as good as breast milk.

Bex5490 · 21/04/2024 17:55

SwordToFlamethrower · 21/04/2024 17:47

It is the best type of food for an infant, that is a fact. Human milk contains antibodies, friendly bacteria, growth hormones, is nutritionally complete and lowers the mothers chances of cancer.

Just because you can't or won't breastfeed, doesn't change that fact. And hating on campaigns to increase breastfeeding rates isn't hateful either.

The problems are lack of support and stigma. Your post further stigmatises breastfeeding and isn't helpful.

I resent your statement that my post stigmatises breast feeding.

I am currently breast feeding as we speak…

I completely respect a woman’s choice whatever that is in relation to feeding their baby I just think there should be more information and less judgement.

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HappyEater · 21/04/2024 17:55

Clearly some women are unable to get baby to latch, and some women don't produce much milk, but I don't understand why anyone who IS able to breastfeed doesn't, and I am baffled by those who don't even give it a go.

I’m baffled by people who judge how any mother feeds her baby.

*proves OP’s point exactly

Barney16 · 21/04/2024 17:56

My children are grown ups so it's a long time since they were babies. I breast fed then for different amounts of times depending on when I was going back to work. I was lucky in that I was completely unaware of any agenda about bf or ff for some reason, or maybe it just wasn't a thing then. I breastfed them and if I thought they were hungry I gave them a bottle as an extra. A contented baby is one with a full tummy and that's the priority surely. I find it very sad that anyone should feel guilty about not breast feeding because again, a contented baby is a baby with a happy mummy. Having a baby is exhausting and women shouldn't be made to feel inadequate when they are knackered. Do what you feel best OP and enjoy your lovely baby.

snowdroplets · 21/04/2024 17:57

I completely agree OP.

The shame and guilt and distress of not being able to BF nearly destroyed my maternity leave.

It's a very high price to pay for somewhat mixed results in the research. Another thread on MN linked to this article: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jun/20/is-breast-really-best-i-looked-at-all-the-data-to-find-out
I've read so many research papers that find no improvement on outcomes for BF babies and yet still conclude that women should BF.

I honestly think if BF didn't involve women's bodies, it wouldn't be so ridiculously policed.


Edited to add: obviously I've also read research papers that show an improvement when BF. I'm not denying there are clearly health benefits - not to mention being cheaper and avoiding the general faff with cleaning bottles! But I only ever heard one side of the story.

lotsofpeoplenametheirswords · 21/04/2024 17:57

SabreIsMyFave · 21/04/2024 17:53

Clearly some women are unable to get baby to latch, and some women don't produce much milk, but I don't understand why anyone who IS able to breastfeed doesn't, and I am baffled by those who don't even give it a go.

And at the end of the day, breast IS best. No-one can deny that. On no planet is formula better than breastmilk. It's fine and good and decent, but let's not kid ourselves that it's as good as breast milk.

Because they don't want to!! What is there to not understand and the likelihood is that by formula feeding that child it will have absolutely no impact, on anything!

Bex5490 · 21/04/2024 17:57

SabreIsMyFave · 21/04/2024 17:53

Clearly some women are unable to get baby to latch, and some women don't produce much milk, but I don't understand why anyone who IS able to breastfeed doesn't, and I am baffled by those who don't even give it a go.

And at the end of the day, breast IS best. No-one can deny that. On no planet is formula better than breastmilk. It's fine and good and decent, but let's not kid ourselves that it's as good as breast milk.

This wording is a perfect example of how women are made to feel less than.

The baby might have not latched for various reasons.

Saying the woman was unable to get the baby to latch suggests she did something wrong and she is responsible for the failure.

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slore · 21/04/2024 17:58

ohmydays37 · 21/04/2024 17:34

First baby - tried my best to BF. Four days in hospital after birth and BF support woman came and basically told me I was starving my child because he hadn't latched properly. The baby blues kicked in and I was so upset and angry I asked where had she been to help me. Never seen the cow again and as soon as we got home I made bottles up. DS stopped screaming as he was clearly very hungry.

Didn't attempt with 2nd baby. It was too traumatic.

I not fussed either way but do feel you get looked down on because you FF.

My friend is BF now, baby under weight and topped up with formula. The only pictures you get are ones of BF and it would be nice to see 15 week babies face and not her tit!

You have some cheek to claim you get looked down on for formula feeding but in the next sentence judging your "friend" for posting her breastfeeding photos.

Maybe she wants to normalise the appearance of breastfeeding to counter attitudes like yours? There is nothing wrong with visible breasts while nursing. It's normal.

UsualChaos · 21/04/2024 17:59

DahliaMacNamara · 21/04/2024 15:27

Ah, don't worry about it, OP. Once the baby gets past six months there's a START WEANING THAT KID OFF THE BREAST YOU WEIRDO brigade that's far more in your face than a few waiting room posters. You can only do what you think is best for you in your circumstances.

This. I was made to feel like some kind of nonce for bf'ing my 10 month old son.

Menomeno · 21/04/2024 18:02

Confusionn · 21/04/2024 17:31

Actually I beg to differ.

My daughter has never had a sick day off from school, albeit she is in her first year. There are the same few children that are continually absent from her class, and are generally very sickly. I am willing to bet those same few children were never breastfed. I breastfed my dd until she was 16months. It is well documented that breastfeeding continues to protect babies well into childhood. I think looking at school attendance records would be a good place to start for any research into the topic.

My exclusively breastfed child has Oral Allergy Syndrome, with allergies to over 20 foods, all animals, latex; has asthma, severe eczema and hayfever. My bottlefed two were perfectly healthy.

BIossomtoes · 21/04/2024 18:04

Your post is horrific @YankSplaining. What an awful experience. 💐

Boomer55 · 21/04/2024 18:06

Like all these things, these “fanatics” are best ignored. My two were bottle fed, and are happy, healthy 40+ year olds.🙂

Nettleskeins · 21/04/2024 18:06

If you can breastfeed for a bit longer, by as one poster suggested, pumping and dumping for now but keeping supply going, you will be protecting your baby against ear infections and their own need for antibiotics. Regardless of the nutrition aspect (formula is highly nutritious) even half breastfeeding(I mixed fed twin babies) did protect my children from chest infections, ear infections, D & v that anecdotally other babies seemed to suffer from. I breastfed them till they were 19 months. The first six weeks is absolutely the hardest. I'm so sorry you are having a horrible time but sometimes bottle feeding isn't the panacea for all the horrible bits or sleep deprivation.

UsualChaos · 21/04/2024 18:07

Bex5490 · 21/04/2024 16:30

I also really believe that if men were the producers of the milk the advice would be incredibly different.

I really feel like there’s something societally that rewards or champions the suffering of women. Like ‘oh hasn’t she done a great job for doing everything completely naturally and going through all that pain and suffering. Look how she persevered. I mean yes she’s got no visible vagina left and only 1 nipple…but she did a great job!’ 😂

Part of my reason for bf'ing was that it's easier! Didn't want to martyr myself with all the washing and sterilising and messing around worrying about temperatures etc when the perfect product was always just under my jumper 🤷🏻‍♀️

MsCactus · 21/04/2024 18:07

Didimum · 21/04/2024 15:19

The latest research suggests that is the benefits of breast feeding are fleetingly minimal compared to formula feeding. YANBU.

Yes this. I read quite in depth about it and the main benefit once you account for everything else was lowering the mothers risk of breast cancer in later life!

I think it's been overblown tbh. And puts unnecessary pressure on women to be sole baby feeders

Parker231 · 21/04/2024 18:10

SabreIsMyFave · 21/04/2024 17:53

Clearly some women are unable to get baby to latch, and some women don't produce much milk, but I don't understand why anyone who IS able to breastfeed doesn't, and I am baffled by those who don't even give it a go.

And at the end of the day, breast IS best. No-one can deny that. On no planet is formula better than breastmilk. It's fine and good and decent, but let's not kid ourselves that it's as good as breast milk.

I never tried breast feeding because I didn’t want to. DT’s are 100% healthy so formula was the right choice for our family.

NoisySnail · 21/04/2024 18:11

The research really does not back up the supposed health benefits of breast feeding. The only benefit seems to be a reduction in gut infections that may be linked to some parents not sterilising bottles or preparing formula properly.
The best thing you can do for your babies health is be well off.

ohmydays37 · 21/04/2024 18:11

@slore Yes I did get looked down upon because I didn't BF. Which is hard because I tried my very best!

and YES I have about 10% pictures of my friends baby showing their face and the remainder of her BF baby.

Nettleskeins · 21/04/2024 18:14

Also what is hushed up for some reason is that breastfeeding and extended breastfeeding at that, protects mothers statistically against breast cancer.
I didn't know this until recently - my kids are in their twenties.
Why is this is not more widely known...that it has BENEFITS for mothers??

TeaGinandFags · 21/04/2024 18:15

HappyEater · 21/04/2024 15:22

Just ignore them all, OP

Do whatever is best for you.

FF is absolutely fine.

This.

Ignore the Brestapo. You will be doing a great job feeding your baby and the advantage of gofmula is that you can cstch up on your sleep while Dad bonds with baby.

Everyone benefits.

FuckOffTom · 21/04/2024 18:15

YankSplaining · 21/04/2024 17:44

I’m not going to read the thread, because I like my blood pressure the level it is, but I feel compelled to share my story here.

I have two daughters. I also have ADHD, have had clinical depression and generalized anxiety disorder since childhood, and had postpartum depression with both babies. I breastfed my first daughter for fifteen months, which contributed to my postpartum depression because for the first many months of her life, I could never spend more than two hours away from her. (Okay, we chanced it once and went to dinner and a movie after she was hopefully asleep for the next few hours, but I was feeding her again two hours after we got home.) This kid never, ever would drink more than a couple swallows from a bottle. I couldn’t be on my regular medications until she was weaned, and once she was, I felt so much better.

My postpartum depression was worse with my second baby, because I felt like I didn’t have the time, energy or patience to be a good mother to two kids. I felt like my relationship with my older daughter had evaporated because I was always breastfeeding my younger daughter, and sitting in the baby’s room with her started making me feel claustrophobic. It felt like I was rooted in one place and couldn’t escape. With both kids, I hated breastfeeding in public. I didn’t want to stick a red-faced baby under a blanket in 90 degrees Fahrenheit, and I didn’t want to sit in public with part of my breast exposed. One time in the library, this little boy just sat and stared at me for about ten minutes while I was breastfeeding.

I didn’t like any part of my life anymore, and I felt like I was irreparably damaging both of my kids. I started fixating on the idea that if I killed myself soon, they’d forget me, and my husband could have the chance to find them some shiny new mother who would be a better one than I was. He’s a good-looking guy who makes good money, and I could see a lot of women wanting to date this attractive widower with two precious, motherless little girls. It crossed my mind that maybe I could quit breastfeeding and go back on my regular meds, but “breast was best,” and the baby refused to drink from a bottle anyway. And it would be so unfair to quit breastfeeding her when I breastfed her sister for fifteen months.

I ended up holding a knife to my wrist and going to the psych ward - and I still wouldn’t quit breastfeeding. This was going to be my “supermother” story - not even a psychiatric hospitalization could stop me from doing the best thing for my baby! Only nothing had changed at all. I still felt like I was ruining my kids, I still felt intermittently suicidal, and I still felt like there was nothing about my life I liked anymore. I tried switching to combination feeding, but my daughter would launch Gandhi-esque hunger strikes until she was breastfed.

Finally, I just was not physically able to breastfeed this child anymore. My milk supply was fine, but I could not bring myself to unsnap the nursing bra and all the rest of it. I had to cold-turkey wean her. Then I got back on my regular medications, and it was like the part in The Wizard of Oz where the movie changes from sepia to full color.

My daughter only took about ten minutes to eat, not forty. Other people could feed her. I took my older daughter to the zoo, which was the first time she’d done anything with “just Mama” for seven months. I suddenly wanted to take both kids out in public, and I was excited for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. I bought a plaster bust at a thrift store (charity shop), covered the whole thing in magazine paper, did the same thing to a battered toy horse, and won a blue ribbon for the horse at the state fair. (My younger daughter still refers to that horse as “Neigh-Neigh.”) I felt like a person again, not a depressed warm milk machine.

I wish I’d formula-fed both kids from day one, and actually enjoyed their early months. TL;DR: breast is not best if the baby’s depressed mother needs to get back on her regular psych meds so she quits feeling numb towards her children, and quits wanting to die.

What a horrendous experience you had. I’m very sorry to hear that you went through that Flowers

In all fairness though, I don’t think the thread would increase your blood pressure. I don’t think anyone here would say that you should have carried on with BF in your circumstances!

But that’s kind of the point, your individual circumstances absolutely meant that FF was best for you. That doesn’t negate that for some moms, BF is better.

Sometimeswinning · 21/04/2024 18:17

SabreIsMyFave · 21/04/2024 17:53

Clearly some women are unable to get baby to latch, and some women don't produce much milk, but I don't understand why anyone who IS able to breastfeed doesn't, and I am baffled by those who don't even give it a go.

And at the end of the day, breast IS best. No-one can deny that. On no planet is formula better than breastmilk. It's fine and good and decent, but let's not kid ourselves that it's as good as breast milk.

Because it’s their choice. Simple. It’s hard work at the start and some people find it far too overwhelming having a newborn anyway. Some people have more than a newborn to consider, some are lone parents, some find it difficult to do in public. You know everyone has their reasons so maybe stop being so “baffled” and just worry about yourself.

Poppyandseed · 21/04/2024 18:19

Confusionn · 21/04/2024 17:31

Actually I beg to differ.

My daughter has never had a sick day off from school, albeit she is in her first year. There are the same few children that are continually absent from her class, and are generally very sickly. I am willing to bet those same few children were never breastfed. I breastfed my dd until she was 16months. It is well documented that breastfeeding continues to protect babies well into childhood. I think looking at school attendance records would be a good place to start for any research into the topic.

What on earth point are you making given you don't actually know how those children were fed?

PoppyCherryDog · 21/04/2024 18:20

My motivation for breastfeeding is that I don’t want to spend money on formula and I don’t like the smell! I couldn’t care less about the research it’s not like we go through life and all the breastfed babies are miles ahead in terms of development!

Youve given perfectly valid reasons why you don’t want to breastfeed and that’s fine. The advert isn’t aimed at you directly. I think it’s just there to encourage breastfeeding as I think years ago they over encouraged formula and hardly anyone breastfed.

If you did want to breastfeed still then I think if you pump twice a day for 15 minutes with a good electric pump it would keep you supply up - I swear by pumping but it took me a while to find a pump that works for me. I know you said you didn’t want to pump because of the faff and time but I find my pump not faffy or time consuming.