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To be sick of the breast is best brigade?

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Bex5490 · 21/04/2024 15:13

Currently sat in a maternity waiting room, waiting to be told that I have a condition which I’ll need to take another round of antibiotics for. Which as I’m breastfeeding will probably give my 1 month old baby ANOTHER round of visibly uncomfortable oral thrush.

There is a video on the TV screen about how everyone should breastfeed playing on loop and what a bloody wonderful thing it is…

With my last baby I had such bad mastitis and suffered through until it was unbearable. The only advice my midwife ever offers now or offered then was keep going with the breastfeeding because…breast is best.

One of my friends had a low milk supply and her baby screamed day and night almost giving her a nervous breakdown until she reluctantly gave in and guiltily offered the baby a bottle.

I know I don’t want to keep giving my baby thrush through the antibiotics or pump all day for a smidgen of milk…so I’m going to switch to formula but something inside still feels guilty and like I’m not doing right by my baby because of the 9 months of people chiming on about how…breast is best.

For the sake of a mother’s mental health surely the message should be a bit more nuanced…

OK - Probably hormonal and living on chunks of 2 hr naps. Rant over!

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User2460177 · 21/04/2024 17:31

I agree op. There is far too much pressure and guilt put on women to breastfeed. Formula is just as good.

NeedToBeStrongStepAway · 21/04/2024 17:32

I knew i wasn't BF. Various reasons.
Midwife mentioned it i said im going to FF. She said but... I replied no buts, i have made my choice. And that was my response throughout.
Always had happy content babies

StormingNorman · 21/04/2024 17:33

ShirleyPhallus · 21/04/2024 17:30

It was in direct response to someone saying they chose to FF to save time 🤷‍♀️

You say save time, the poster says to establish a routine and sleep schedule 🤷‍♀️

Babies need those too and only the parents know what’s best for their baby. Not randoms off the interweb.

Menomeno · 21/04/2024 17:34

Breast IS of course best but not everyone can breastfeed and that’s ok.

But why is breastfeeding ‘success’ or not always put down to the mother?

My first was 10lb 2oz. Screamed for days, I was feeding constantly and eventually started to pump in the hope my ex could take over the feeds. I was producing 5ml of milk over the course of an evening. So I switched to bottles and he immediately settled.

Second child latched on the second the midwife handed him to me, and didn’t let go until he was 13 months. He breastfed like a dream and had no other fluids until he had turned one.

Third child would feed for five minutes, fall asleep for 25 minutes. I managed to keep it up for 6 weeks. I hadn’t had more than 30 minutes sleep in one stretch in all that time. I began to introduce the odd bottle so ExH could feed while I slept. By six months she was solely on bottles.

Nobody ever considers that the child is usually a factor in whether you can breastfeed. The blame is always heaped onto Mum. I had the same two breasts, but 3 very different experiences.

ohmydays37 · 21/04/2024 17:34

First baby - tried my best to BF. Four days in hospital after birth and BF support woman came and basically told me I was starving my child because he hadn't latched properly. The baby blues kicked in and I was so upset and angry I asked where had she been to help me. Never seen the cow again and as soon as we got home I made bottles up. DS stopped screaming as he was clearly very hungry.

Didn't attempt with 2nd baby. It was too traumatic.

I not fussed either way but do feel you get looked down on because you FF.

My friend is BF now, baby under weight and topped up with formula. The only pictures you get are ones of BF and it would be nice to see 15 week babies face and not her tit!

Lavender14 · 21/04/2024 17:34

Bex5490 · 21/04/2024 17:28

No. But if I was brand new to the world of vegetables and told for 9 months that carrots were the only ones out there, only to learn that I was allergic but could tolerate sweet potatoes which aren’t as good but still kept me alive…

I’d be arsey that no1 had ever explained about the possibility of allergies or the existence of sweet potatoes!

Op I'm not sure that's really a fair comparison. Formula is as pps have said, the default in the UK. Not one other person in my extended family has ever breastfed and I was made to feel like a strange novelty when I bf ds. I know so many women who have been made to feel like they're being selfish or doing something weird by breastfeeding. So I wouldn't say that the experience of not knowing formula is an option is common place. It was covered in our antenatal classes along with breastfeeding under the umbrella of infant feeding but if you wanted to know more about breastfeeding there was a seperate workshop for that which people could opt into. In hospital I was literally pressured into giving ds formula and made to feel guilty for refusing.

There's judgement on both sides and ultimately having to deal with other people's opinions just is one of the shittier parts of being a mum that all of us could do without.

CuttingMeOpenthenHealingMeFine · 21/04/2024 17:35

Confusionn · 21/04/2024 17:31

Actually I beg to differ.

My daughter has never had a sick day off from school, albeit she is in her first year. There are the same few children that are continually absent from her class, and are generally very sickly. I am willing to bet those same few children were never breastfed. I breastfed my dd until she was 16months. It is well documented that breastfeeding continues to protect babies well into childhood. I think looking at school attendance records would be a good place to start for any research into the topic.

Both of mine were BF. One catches everything and has loads of food allergies, the other is never ill at all. Just the luck of the draw really isn’t it?

ShirleyPhallus · 21/04/2024 17:35

StormingNorman · 21/04/2024 17:33

You say save time, the poster says to establish a routine and sleep schedule 🤷‍♀️

Babies need those too and only the parents know what’s best for their baby. Not randoms off the interweb.

And as I said, it’s perfectly possible to establish a feeding schedule from BF

ironorchids · 21/04/2024 17:36

That's pretty miserable that you have to watch that on repeat whilst really struggling.

I agree that just blasting this message out an a TV over and over and not offering support is pretty useless. If there isn't practical support in the hospital then the message on repeat should at least go into how, why and when breast milk is best and perhaps show the flip side of where the mother's mental health needs to also be taken into account for people seriously struggling.

I think the messaging in general is ok for people who may be struggling a little and are not sure whether it's worth persisting and continuing to try to breastfeed. For those people it may be beneficial to hear that yes, it is worth it to try and get through small amounts of difficulty breastfeeding if you can and if you want to.

To achieve this they should at least be giving out the reasons for and against it and give statistics from research about what the difference actually is between the methods.

NotMyDayJob · 21/04/2024 17:36

I mean there really isn't, which is kind of backed up by the many stories of mothers running into difficulties and not getting the support they need to carry on breastfeeding, if they want to (I'm not including those who didn't want to breastfeed which is their prerogative).

I've been lucky. I had mastitis, took antibiotics, had very painful vasospasms, random cracked nipples etc. I'm very lucky that I was able to get the right support to solve those problems. Mostly because I was able to get private paid for support. Breastfeeding rates in this country are poor and support for breastfeeding is poor. It's mostly based around many many volunteers at the breastfeeding network and la leche league and local groups, and many women giving up their time.

I'd be willing to bet that if men produced the milk, we wouldn't see more acceptance of formula feeding, we'd see more support for breastfeeding.

NamingConundrum · 21/04/2024 17:37

They have to tell you the facts legally. The fact is that, if both formula and breast milk are on offer, the breast milk is better for the baby. If you go in the formula brand websites they legally have to state breastmilk is better for baby.

But just because it's best doesn't mean the other options are bad. The decision isn't as simple as 'which one shall I give them?'. There's lots of other factors including maternal choice, mental health, supply, medications mum's on etc. Against the backdrop of all that it may well be that formula feeding is better in that situation. If mum is miserable? Formula better. Low supply? Formula better. But it doesn't change the fact that objectively formula vs breastmilk the breastmilk is better.

What we need is for mums not to feel guilt when the situation is such that, in the complexity of life, formula may be better for them and their baby.

Bluebellsinthesun · 21/04/2024 17:37

Confusionn · 21/04/2024 17:31

Actually I beg to differ.

My daughter has never had a sick day off from school, albeit she is in her first year. There are the same few children that are continually absent from her class, and are generally very sickly. I am willing to bet those same few children were never breastfed. I breastfed my dd until she was 16months. It is well documented that breastfeeding continues to protect babies well into childhood. I think looking at school attendance records would be a good place to start for any research into the topic.

The only time i was ever asked about how my dc were fed was at the 6 week and 8 months checks - after that we weren’t asked again so to say it’s no different well how would anyone know as it’s not routinely asked !

My dc were all breastfed till age 4 but they have rubbish school attendance and are really sickly / catch everything etc 😂

Scottishskifun · 21/04/2024 17:37

Didimum · 21/04/2024 15:39

That is not the OP’s situation.

That maybe so but your original message was research says otherwise......
This isn't the case for some babies and therefore you shouldn't make sweeping statements.

WhereIsMyLight · 21/04/2024 17:38

Breast is best. But the infrastructure for that is woeful. Every midwife I had after the birth gave my different advice as to how to get DC to latch. I was confused and tired and I just needed to try consistent approaches for a couple of consecutive times.

Everything about the support for establishing breastfeeding is just rubbish. Paternity leave is 2 weeks and breastfeeding usually takes longer than that to establish. I sorely needed support from DH and breastfeeding dropped right off after he went back to work. If you want women to breastfeed, you need to put the infrastructure in place to support them in that.

Parker231 · 21/04/2024 17:39

Confusionn · 21/04/2024 17:31

Actually I beg to differ.

My daughter has never had a sick day off from school, albeit she is in her first year. There are the same few children that are continually absent from her class, and are generally very sickly. I am willing to bet those same few children were never breastfed. I breastfed my dd until she was 16months. It is well documented that breastfeeding continues to protect babies well into childhood. I think looking at school attendance records would be a good place to start for any research into the topic.

DT’s - solely formula fed had 100% attendance in primary other than DS’s broken leg!

BIossomtoes · 21/04/2024 17:39

My daughter has never had a sick day off from school

Nor mine. You could have counted the number in his entire school career on your hands. He never tasted breast milk. Anecdote means nothing.

Bex5490 · 21/04/2024 17:39

Lavender14 · 21/04/2024 17:34

Op I'm not sure that's really a fair comparison. Formula is as pps have said, the default in the UK. Not one other person in my extended family has ever breastfed and I was made to feel like a strange novelty when I bf ds. I know so many women who have been made to feel like they're being selfish or doing something weird by breastfeeding. So I wouldn't say that the experience of not knowing formula is an option is common place. It was covered in our antenatal classes along with breastfeeding under the umbrella of infant feeding but if you wanted to know more about breastfeeding there was a seperate workshop for that which people could opt into. In hospital I was literally pressured into giving ds formula and made to feel guilty for refusing.

There's judgement on both sides and ultimately having to deal with other people's opinions just is one of the shittier parts of being a mum that all of us could do without.

I’m sorry you were judged for choosing to BF. Maybe it depends on the area, your circle etc.

I honestly just get pissed that any women are made to feel guilty about their choices in that way which ever side they fall down on.

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StormingNorman · 21/04/2024 17:40

ShirleyPhallus · 21/04/2024 17:35

And as I said, it’s perfectly possible to establish a feeding schedule from BF

It doesn’t matter if it’s possible if the mum prefers to feed a different way. There is plenty of time for cuddles when FF too so the baby isn’t missing out on love and bonding time which the PP rather offensively tried to suggest.

Katkins17 · 21/04/2024 17:43

I beast fed all my sons.

My first I only managed a month. I was overwhelmed, alone and couldn't cope... as soon as I put him on a bottle everything became easier.

My other 2 took to breast feeding easily though.

So although I loved breast feeding, I'm a firm believer in do what's right for you.

The object is to feed your baby..... breast feeding may be best...but equally a healthy, happy well fed baby and mother is always going yo trump that.

YankSplaining · 21/04/2024 17:44

I’m not going to read the thread, because I like my blood pressure the level it is, but I feel compelled to share my story here.

I have two daughters. I also have ADHD, have had clinical depression and generalized anxiety disorder since childhood, and had postpartum depression with both babies. I breastfed my first daughter for fifteen months, which contributed to my postpartum depression because for the first many months of her life, I could never spend more than two hours away from her. (Okay, we chanced it once and went to dinner and a movie after she was hopefully asleep for the next few hours, but I was feeding her again two hours after we got home.) This kid never, ever would drink more than a couple swallows from a bottle. I couldn’t be on my regular medications until she was weaned, and once she was, I felt so much better.

My postpartum depression was worse with my second baby, because I felt like I didn’t have the time, energy or patience to be a good mother to two kids. I felt like my relationship with my older daughter had evaporated because I was always breastfeeding my younger daughter, and sitting in the baby’s room with her started making me feel claustrophobic. It felt like I was rooted in one place and couldn’t escape. With both kids, I hated breastfeeding in public. I didn’t want to stick a red-faced baby under a blanket in 90 degrees Fahrenheit, and I didn’t want to sit in public with part of my breast exposed. One time in the library, this little boy just sat and stared at me for about ten minutes while I was breastfeeding.

I didn’t like any part of my life anymore, and I felt like I was irreparably damaging both of my kids. I started fixating on the idea that if I killed myself soon, they’d forget me, and my husband could have the chance to find them some shiny new mother who would be a better one than I was. He’s a good-looking guy who makes good money, and I could see a lot of women wanting to date this attractive widower with two precious, motherless little girls. It crossed my mind that maybe I could quit breastfeeding and go back on my regular meds, but “breast was best,” and the baby refused to drink from a bottle anyway. And it would be so unfair to quit breastfeeding her when I breastfed her sister for fifteen months.

I ended up holding a knife to my wrist and going to the psych ward - and I still wouldn’t quit breastfeeding. This was going to be my “supermother” story - not even a psychiatric hospitalization could stop me from doing the best thing for my baby! Only nothing had changed at all. I still felt like I was ruining my kids, I still felt intermittently suicidal, and I still felt like there was nothing about my life I liked anymore. I tried switching to combination feeding, but my daughter would launch Gandhi-esque hunger strikes until she was breastfed.

Finally, I just was not physically able to breastfeed this child anymore. My milk supply was fine, but I could not bring myself to unsnap the nursing bra and all the rest of it. I had to cold-turkey wean her. Then I got back on my regular medications, and it was like the part in The Wizard of Oz where the movie changes from sepia to full color.

My daughter only took about ten minutes to eat, not forty. Other people could feed her. I took my older daughter to the zoo, which was the first time she’d done anything with “just Mama” for seven months. I suddenly wanted to take both kids out in public, and I was excited for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. I bought a plaster bust at a thrift store (charity shop), covered the whole thing in magazine paper, did the same thing to a battered toy horse, and won a blue ribbon for the horse at the state fair. (My younger daughter still refers to that horse as “Neigh-Neigh.”) I felt like a person again, not a depressed warm milk machine.

I wish I’d formula-fed both kids from day one, and actually enjoyed their early months. TL;DR: breast is not best if the baby’s depressed mother needs to get back on her regular psych meds so she quits feeling numb towards her children, and quits wanting to die.

HazelBite · 21/04/2024 17:45

I am a Mother of 4, my oldest son was breastfed exclusively, slept well etc until I had to supplement with formula when I had to return to work. Second son used to fall asleep on the breast as soon as he latched on, I ended up with formula as he was failing to thrive. I had twin sons, who were large hungry babies, had they been exclusively breast fed I think I might have expired from exhaustion so they were mixed fed.
You have to live your life and do what's best for you and your baby. Breast feeding I found was convenient as it was always "on tap", but so many factors come into play here, surely what is best for both Mother and baby is best, but I do think breast feeding should be encouraged but you should not feel like an outcast/or guilty if you can't continue

SwordToFlamethrower · 21/04/2024 17:47

It is the best type of food for an infant, that is a fact. Human milk contains antibodies, friendly bacteria, growth hormones, is nutritionally complete and lowers the mothers chances of cancer.

Just because you can't or won't breastfeed, doesn't change that fact. And hating on campaigns to increase breastfeeding rates isn't hateful either.

The problems are lack of support and stigma. Your post further stigmatises breastfeeding and isn't helpful.

KomodoOhno · 21/04/2024 17:47

Do what's best for you and your baby. The hell with what anyone else thinks.

HappyEater · 21/04/2024 17:47

fromthegecko · 21/04/2024 17:31

The breast is best brigade are not exactly on the front foot are they? I guess their advertising budget is a lot lower than Nestlé's. UK has the highest artificial feeding rates in the world, and there's a depressing culture of hostility towards breastfeeding. You are angry with the wrong people.

I BF one child and FF the other.

Only ever experienced hostility with FF

oh she’s so young to have a big bottle like that.

Thankfully I didn’t care what some random at baby massage thought. Fuck. Off.

But no one should be making new mothers feel bad for feeding their baby.

Notsuretoputit · 21/04/2024 17:51

TimeInBlue · 21/04/2024 15:23

Where is this research? We all know that’s not true.

Breast IS of course best but not everyone can breastfeed and that’s ok.

And not everyone wants to and that’s okay too.