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To do this at a child's party where I was the facepainter

284 replies

BrickTraybake · 21/04/2024 13:30

I am trying to establish a small business as a facepainter just to earn a little extra money.

Yesterday I did a childs birthday party for one of the mums at my DSS's school. I did it at a discount price for her as she said she would recommend me to all the other mums and she is the PTA and said she can get me a slot at school fairs.

I have a system where I get the children interested in having their facepainted to write down their name on the list and then I call them when it's their turn so there's not loads of bored kids queueing. The parents sign next to the child's name to say they consent to me painting their face and then they tick a box if they consent to me using images for promotion. It's worked well so far.

So yesterday one mum puts a massive X in the photo consent box and writes next to it NO PHOTOS NO SOCIAL MEDIA!! fair enough.

When it came to that child's turn, I wrote next to her name "pink Tshirt" just to remind me of who she was in case I accidently got her in the background of a pic.

Mum paid up, everyone happy. Then later on Facebook I saw her post thanking everyone for coming to the party and the mum of pink t-shirt girl wrote underneath "thanks for inviting us! Shame facepainter wrote down details of what my child was wearing?? Bit odd 😂" and the mum shock-reacted it.

I'm so upset. I was so looking forward to hopefully getting more party bookings and a place at the school fairs. This was only my third party and now I'm worried this mum will gossip that I'm a wierdo and I won't get any more.

Was I in the wrong? Should I reply??

OP posts:
vincettenoir · 22/04/2024 18:33

I don’t think the news will travel. I doubt you will lose out on anything because of this non issue. Don’t let it put you off.

FeetLikeFlippers · 22/04/2024 18:36

FeetLikeFlippers · 22/04/2024 18:31

She sounds like a passive-aggressive bully and an attention-seeker. I’m a bit sensitive about people misunderstanding my intentions, so I understand how you feel, but please don’t give her the satisfaction of letting her intimidate you. Only unhappy and insecure people behave like her so this all says more about her than you. If you reply/explain in a polite and professional manner, like other people are suggesting, then she’ll probably (hopefully!) feel quite stupid. Just be sure not to word in a way that she could interpret as a criticism of her, as she sounds like the kind of person who’d then switch it on you and play the victim!

Just read your update OP - so glad it all worked out and you’re feeling supported by the other Mums x

Julimia · 22/04/2024 18:37

Simply explain why you did it (obvious really) and ask if the ( gobby) mum has a better suggestion.
What you did only matches what she did.

OldPerson · 22/04/2024 19:05

Absolutely reply. "T-shirt description written down to meet mum's request that her child does not appear in any social media photos."

Sennelier1 · 22/04/2024 19:13

Mostly when children who'se pictures are not to be put on social media, they put a flower or smiley where the face is. So "pink Tshirt" is perfectly acceptable to me 🤷🏼‍♀️

YeahComeOnThen · 22/04/2024 19:13

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 21/04/2024 13:56

If you're going to do facepainting you really do need to toughen up a bit.

Kids and parents can be brutal.

I did it for a number of years and even things like closing off a queue can cause a kick off. There's always a crying kid or a parent who doesn't mind literally begging you when you're all packed up, or people who ask you to stay extra because they haven't booked enough time, or a million people running a million charity events who expect you for free.

Be polite and factual back on this occassion , but find a way to take pictures without anyone in the background at all, because there will be kids who aren't getting their faces painted who could be in the background as well.

@BrickTraybake

Well done you for braving up to doing it!!

I apologise for my first post telling you you'll have to toughen up, you will but I could have been gentler about it.

im a pretty hardened nut, so online I often forget how fragile some people are. I do try to remember 🌷but will try harder!

the post above is brilliant @InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow & maybe you can really think about your responses to each of those events, so you can be prepared.

best wishes for many successful events!!

id love to do it, but I'm too slow!!

Noyesnoyes · 22/04/2024 19:26

Great outcome OP!

dcthatsme · 22/04/2024 19:27

Well done! It's really great you politely explained why you had done it. The children and other parents clearly loved the facepainting. Good luck with the venture 😍

Solocup · 22/04/2024 19:47

Definitely reply. She’s made it sound weird. In replying you show you are professional and adhering to her request. When she sees why she might be pleased. ‘It was just so I could remember which chicks she was to ensure that I didn’t get her in any photos as per your request’ sort of thing. Make sure you’re happy and friendly.

PS you did nothing wrong

MumTeacherofMany · 22/04/2024 20:14

Just explain OP. You did absolutely nothing wrong. Strange parent!

MHN101 · 22/04/2024 20:35

ziggies · 21/04/2024 22:09

@PaulAnkaTheDoggo@NeverHadHaveHas@Ohlookwhoitis Couldn't just scroll past – GDPR is my legal bread and butter. Personal data must be given as wide an interpretation as possible, and a previous HC judge has noted obiter dicta that this could include data preferences itself.

Ofc the role of consent is widely overstated compared to eg legitimate interest, but just so you're aware.

Edited

Thanks for this - I was getting a battering for my understanding of it (which is essentially to say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ever).

Wimin123 · 22/04/2024 20:38

You did absolutely nothing wrong as other people have said make sure you address it professionally. It was a pragmatic and reasonable action to remind you of her demands. You should have written pink t shirt with the weird mother 😆

GreyBlackLove · 22/04/2024 20:43

Great outcome OP. Hope you get plenty of bookings

Apolloneuro · 22/04/2024 21:03

Tixedo · 21/04/2024 22:16

* *My interpretation of GDPR/confidentaility as a teacher is would be that I could get sacked for revealing confidential info like this on Facebook - what if the woman didn’t want anyone to know she doesn’t allow her kids photos on SM etc?

Stick to teaching and not interpreting the law.

What if this ‘expert’ teaches law 😂

AhBiscuits · 22/04/2024 21:11

You just need a second consent form.
Do you consent to whether you consent to your child's picture being shared on SM to be shared on SM. Simple.

WittiestUsernameEver · 22/04/2024 21:32

MHN101 · 21/04/2024 20:35

OP. I think that was a really bad move. The woman was already defensive about having photos taken, then about her kids clothing being written down. Now you have broken GDPR by revealing to everyone on that woman’s Facebook page that she requested no photos or social media.

You’re on really dodgy ground with that one. Personally I’d be removing your post ASAP and just letting it go. It’s not that big a deal and certainly not worth the aggro that she could cause you if she decided to.

😂😂☝️

Breaking GDPR... What utter fucking nonsense.

What now everyone knows Brenda Jones doesn't want a photo of her kid used online? What personal information has been revealed about the Brenda? What can anyone do with that information? Feel free to alert the ICO of the data leak 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Icehockeyflowers · 22/04/2024 21:39

MHN101 · 21/04/2024 20:47

It directly links confidential information (not wanting photos/SM)with her name on a public forum. With my professional understanding of GDPR, this is a breach. Even if it isn’t, this is not a woman you’d want to piss off by giving out personal info online and shaming her.

Shaming her?

Are you mixing up the mother of pink tshirt girl and the facepainter because I think if you re-read the OP's posts, you will see it was the child's mother that tried to shame the facepainter - not the other way around!

The OP replied in a professional way to an unnecessary comment.

pleasehelpwi3 · 22/04/2024 21:46

Sorry if it's been mentioned already, but asking for a discount in return for telling friends etc is as old as the hills. Don't devalue yourself- have a price and stick to it. Do your own kids for free. Everyone else- same price!
(As a teacher I'd almost go as far as saying that 'as she is PTA she can get you a slot at school fairs' in return for a discount is an abuse of her position!)
Good luck!

Icehockeyflowers · 22/04/2024 21:50

MHN101 · 21/04/2024 21:27

My interpretation of GDPR/confidentaility as a teacher is would be that I could get sacked for revealing confidential info like this on Facebook - what if the woman didn’t want anyone to know she doesn’t allow her kids photos on SM etc?

Apologies if it’s wrong OP et al and not a breach, didn’t mean to cause alarm.

I would say, even if it’s not a breach, I would see it as unprofessional of OP. The woman was a dick, absolutely, but OP risks a lot more by taking her on on her friends FB page.

Edited

I don't think you are interpreting it correctly.

In my children's school, they send out updates about what has been happening during the school term, including numerous photos of the children involved in whatever they are referring to.

There are two or three children who have a heart shape over their faces. It is very obvious that the parents/guardians of those children have requested that photos of their children are not published on SM, newsletters, websites. If your child is also in the photograph with the child whose face has been blurred or in a class photograph, it is again very easy to see which parents have refused permission for their child's photos to be published. The school continue to take photos because they can't single a child out and tell them not to be in a group/class photo but its obvious who has refused permission and this does not breach GDPR in any way.

(I am not saying that the parents who have refused permission for whatever reason are wrong but equally the OP has not done anything wrong and in fact has acted very professionally to safeguard the reputation of her business against potential online slander).

DisabledDemon · 22/04/2024 23:00

Bluebellsinthesun · 21/04/2024 13:32

Just reply ‘it was for my own record to identify your dd so I could adhere to your request for no photos / SM’

Indeed. You need to be able to identify who's who. The woman's an idiot.

VanGoghsDog · 22/04/2024 23:15

ziggies · 22/04/2024 12:18

That's literally what obiter dicta means, my dear – it's not some clever loophole you've caught me in, it's the literal meaning that little first year law students learn on their first day of school. 😅

By definition, they're not binding on the current case because they're not about the current case. However, the fact that a judge goes to the effort to incorporate those comments says a lot. They are taken into a great deal of consideration when looking for precedent (both by us and judges) though.

Many an obiter dictum from a previous (non-precedent) case has been taken into consideration to form the ratio decidendi for a new case, thus setting a new precedent.

No offense, but a judge's comments certainly hold more legal weight than Mumsnet opinions.

Edited

Of course I know that my dear, which is obviously why I posted it.

You wrote it originally as if this meant it was a binding and ground breaking opinion from a judge and to try to make yourself look clever. It is not and you did not.

Also, nowhere did I suggest that any sort of opinion by a judge held any more or less weight than posters on MN, of which you are one. Please post a link to the case, it would be interesting to read it.

"Pink t shirt" is not personal data. I personally have three pink t shirts, maybe she meant me 🤔

Dotcomma · 22/04/2024 23:51

I'd also include that it's part of your 'due diligence procedures'

Spinet · 23/04/2024 00:02

Do you legal people know that no one is paying you your usual 50 million quid per hour to have this argument about gdpr?

Topsyturvy78 · 23/04/2024 00:57

MHN101 · 21/04/2024 20:35

OP. I think that was a really bad move. The woman was already defensive about having photos taken, then about her kids clothing being written down. Now you have broken GDPR by revealing to everyone on that woman’s Facebook page that she requested no photos or social media.

You’re on really dodgy ground with that one. Personally I’d be removing your post ASAP and just letting it go. It’s not that big a deal and certainly not worth the aggro that she could cause you if she decided to.

It wasn't the moaners own Facebook. It was the birthday child's mum's Facebook. Who the OP happens to have as a mutual friend on her Facebook. That woman made a comment bad mouthing the OP face painter when she hadn't done anything wrong. As I said in my comment further up. Some people will look to find fault where there's non. If she was that bothered she should have asked at the party.

All the OP did was defend herself and the woman told the reason behind her writing a description of her child. The reason to most with common sense would have been obvious. It's pretty obvious the mother feels a right idiot because she deleted her comment. So because she deleted her comment all the replies to that comment also get deleted.🙄

FlipFlop1987 · 23/04/2024 20:32

MHN101 · 21/04/2024 21:27

My interpretation of GDPR/confidentaility as a teacher is would be that I could get sacked for revealing confidential info like this on Facebook - what if the woman didn’t want anyone to know she doesn’t allow her kids photos on SM etc?

Apologies if it’s wrong OP et al and not a breach, didn’t mean to cause alarm.

I would say, even if it’s not a breach, I would see it as unprofessional of OP. The woman was a dick, absolutely, but OP risks a lot more by taking her on on her friends FB page.

Edited

The woman signed her name next to her child’s name then wrote on about no social media/photos knowing that the form will be handed to other parents to sign as it was to her. If she didn’t want people to know her preference, she wouldn’t have done that. She’s looking for drama, hence her SM comment bringing it back up again after the party