To be shocked not to be told trans student sharing bedroom on school trips

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DD aged 15 shared a bedroom with a trans girl (born a boy) on a school trip. Dd only found out the sleeping arrangements whilst on the trip and we only found out later. I presumed that trans students would have their own bedrooms at this age. Am shocked not to have at least been asked by school in advance. However it would appear that the policy given to schools is that sharing is fine.

It's a safeguarding fail by the school.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5050647-cass-report-school-policies-write-to-your-childs-school-for-evidence-their-current-policies-and-practices-are-lawful-and-in-line-with-the-cass-report-links-starter-info

Use the link in this post forba detailed opinion by a highly regarded equality lawyer, she specifically covers how allowing transIDing boys to share sleeping accommodation with girls on school trips is indirect discrimination, harassment and victimisation of the girls in law.

When girls go on Guides camp do they need to share with a boy who wants to be a girl? And are parents informed beforehand?

@Bluepetergarden
Are you not aware that there are an alarmingly large number of people who believe that being a boy or a girl, male or female, is 100% a matter of identity? Why wouldn't some of these people work in schools and organise trips?

At the end of the day no one except the OP (on any thread) knows how truthful the described situation is, but unless you can explain why this could never happen, people will likely give her the benefit of the doubt.

No we are not informed. That's the reason my dd doesn't do residential with girl guides unless I know its strictly her own unit who I know are all biological females

Yes they do, and no the parents won't be told. Guide leaders who have spoke out have been sacked (they're volunteers but you know what I mean).

Girls, and girls who identify as boys, and boys who identify as girls, can be Guides - the only kids who can't be Guides now are boys who know they are boys! Unfortunately Guides, along with a lot of other institutions, has abandoned safeguarding in favour of ideology.

From the GG website: https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/information-for-volunteers/running-your-unit/including-all/lgbt-members/supporting-trans-young-members/

I don’t understand though why the GG don’t have the follow the same safeguarding rules that schools do. Does anyone know?

The girl guides were influenced by some very unsuitable adult transactivists (think supporters of extreme porn) and sadly have abandoned safeguarding girls in favour of transactivism.

Safe Schools Alliance have been challenging them for their safeguarding fails:
https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2021/11/02/girl-guiding-and-asexuality/

If you google "Girl Guides mumsnet" or similar, you'll find a lot of relevant information.

Not what I’m saying, I’m saying given the extensive safeguarding guidelines we have to follow on trips this would never happen
Keeping pupils safe is exactly what we have to do.

I’d be absolutely fucking furious and would be raising a formal complaint

Well it's not though, is it? There are plenty of activist teachers. Like this one, who thinks he knows better than a top paediatric consultant who spent several years investigating the topic of young people with gender Identity struggles. He could be running the school trip.

https://www.facebook.com/100082615329213/posts/413448398085668/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

He won't be running it alone and will have to follow procedures

That’s completely against the new guidance. How could they think that was ok?

The school have failed your child and should be taken to task.

We actually had a trans kid staying with us on an exchange. School contacted and said what did we think? Child was the same sex as ours but living as the other sex. I said that was fine, no problem but as we had two spare rooms why didn't we take a friend of theirs too? Which worked very well. But the point is we knew about it and the kid was in a safe location reflecting their biological reality as well as their lived choice. That was not the case with you.

This. Always this.

No ‘outing’ needed. And no adult should be asking a child if they are ok sharing a room with the opposite sex such as this. No child should be put in that situation.

I would go absolutely crackers. It’s a safeguarding issue. The trans student needs their own room.

Wasn’t Jane Fae (didn’t they write a pro-extreme porn book under their original name John Ozimek?) advising GG on their safeguarding policy. A male person who campaigns to reduce the age of porn actors and to legalise extreme pornography? Who has in the past dismissed women dying in domestic violence as being down to their ‘eggshell skulls’?

Thanks to those who confirmed my fears about GG.

Why do so many parents put up with this shit?

Why are boys who want to be girls not just told they fucking can't be because they have a penis therefore they're a boy.

This!

Op, I think you are not being unreasonable to think it is totally fucked up.

You are unreasonable to be surprised though, that's what transwomen are women means after all.

Transwomen clearly aren't women. They are men. How have people been coerced into lying about this very self evident fact? Can we all stop it now?

I know of this happening with slightly younger kids at a private school. The parents were apparently asked with the trans child’s parents permission, but huge pressure was put on them to not be transphobic. 🙄 A few girls dropped out of the trip, but only one set of parents were honest with the school and the parents about their reason, and some parents stopped speaking to them. My friend was a teacher at the school and left soon after as the head was full on TWAW and my friend didn’t like the way things were going.

Thank you @MrsOvertonsWindow - I’ll have a look at that. I have followed some of the conversations about it before on MN, and remember the leaders who were forced out for asking questions. I just can’t understand how their approach is legal!