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Rude or polite

567 replies

Dullardmullard · 18/04/2024 12:08

I told him no

context is
a man approach me at the bus stop and said excuse me and I said no right away. He then came back and said you could of said I’m not interested.

no meant I wasn’t interested
no meant no

I stand by my no, but some friends/colleagues said I was rude and I don’t think I was.

ive said not interested in the past and got abused verbally.

I normally have my headphones in but I forgot them this morning

OP posts:
WoolySnail · 18/04/2024 18:15

SerafinasGoose · 18/04/2024 17:22

IMO you framed the question wrongly, OP.

Ask MN 'was I rude?' and you're guaranteed to get a tsunami of complaints from pearl-clutching etiquette specialists wanting to teach you your manners.

Had you said: 'I was rude. I own it and DGAF, because I'm sick of being approached by random male strangers', you'd likely have met with a more favourable response.

How dare you not humour Random Men and join in with some elaborate Pick Me dance?

But she doesn't think she was rude and own it. She didn’t think she was rude, asked people at work who told her she was, then came on here to be told by several others that she WAS rude and has continued to argue she wasn't.

chocolatcha · 18/04/2024 18:21

Mrsknowitall · 18/04/2024 18:09

Going by your responses on here it seems he dodged a bullet. Do you always assume that the first thing men want is a date/leg over?

This. You seem deliberately obtuse and obnoxious, but I'm sure in your head you're irresistible to strangers everywhere......

Anotherparkingthread · 18/04/2024 18:22

I don't think op was rude. I'd have replied the same way.

I honestly don't care if a stranger is having a heart attack, lost his dog or wants my phone number the answer is the same. Why would I hear somebody out they have nothing I want and or I'm willing to give. Waste of both of our times.

Politeness can get you killed. There's nothing wrong with saying 'no' and the sooner everybody accepts that the safer the world becomes for women.

pictoosh · 18/04/2024 18:22

The question isn't whether you were rude or polite. You were rude and you know that. You wanted to be rude and you were.
The question is whether or not you were justified in being rude.
The answer is no, you weren't.

It is understood that you don't want to be creeped on by random men while you're minding your own business. Few women enjoy such intrusions.

However, to assume every man who approaches you is on the make, to the point of such aggression, is outlandish.

Not the end of the world but as you're asking, it's a bit nutso on your part.
If you don't care, fine.

RawBloomers · 18/04/2024 18:22

WoolySnail · 18/04/2024 18:10

He may have confirmed his intentions by coming back the second time, but there is no way from his initial approach that you could have known that- so yes you were rude, but I'm pretty sure you don't want to hear it despite colleagues and several posters pointing out why, after YOU asked the question. If you think you were right and refuse to even consider a different view point suggesting you weren't, why bother asking?

She’s entitled to protect herself from the risk of being harassed. To not take the risk that it’s going to turn into something bigger. Shutting things down immediately and not giving the impression of being open to looking after a man’s feelings is generally a better approach than being open and “nice”.

People give off cues before they speak. Who they choose to approach given those around, the way they look at you, the way they stand. And when they speak their facial expression and intonation say at least as much as their words. OP read the situation, correctly as it turns out, and made her own judgement and you’re blaming her for not being open to harassment “just in case”.

That’s kind of misogynistic.

I know women are socially programmed to do this, but it would be really good if we could stop and if one of the few forums dominated by women could not be part of that pressure to put men’s feelings first despite their lack of care for our own.

pictoosh · 18/04/2024 18:23

Anotherparkingthread · 18/04/2024 18:22

I don't think op was rude. I'd have replied the same way.

I honestly don't care if a stranger is having a heart attack, lost his dog or wants my phone number the answer is the same. Why would I hear somebody out they have nothing I want and or I'm willing to give. Waste of both of our times.

Politeness can get you killed. There's nothing wrong with saying 'no' and the sooner everybody accepts that the safer the world becomes for women.

Oh look OP - you've got a pal! 👀

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 18/04/2024 18:24

It is understood that you don't want to be creeped on by random men while you're minding your own business. Few women enjoy such intrusions
However, to assume every man who approaches you is on the make, to the point of such aggression, is outlandish

This

Livingtothefull · 18/04/2024 18:25

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 18/04/2024 18:12

Nothing to do with "social conditioning" FFS
It's called just generally being a decent person and not an arse to people for no reason.
Being a woman isn't a get out clause for being a dickhead towards people 🙄

I don't think being rather abrupt with a random man on the street precludes being a decent person.

Being a woman isn't a get out clause for being a dickhead towards people'. I think that women as a class are not the ones generally associated with dickhead behaviour. That would be, er, another group?

Still, I understand from this thread that the word 'no' is unduly harsh and can come across as rude, at any rate when a woman says it. It is important to carefully prioritise the feelings of said random man.

phoenixrosehere · 18/04/2024 18:26

Gillbil · 18/04/2024 17:52

I don't get why pp are asking for context.
Context 'A' asking to sign a petition.

Context 'B' there has been a terrible accident and he needs someone to call the emergency services.

Now using the context clues the OP has put in post, considering this person had the time and arrogance to come back later and start another conversation, that basically meant- how dare you think that not giving me all you time and attention was an option.

Anyone who has basic respect for other ppl and themselves, would accept the 'no' and move on, or be sensible enough to decide they don't want to waste their time on a random person who said no.

YANBU

Agree.

I also think it off that some posters think it would have been perfectly ok for him to try to chat her up when she didn’t want to be bothered.

Anotherparkingthread · 18/04/2024 18:26

pictoosh · 18/04/2024 18:23

Oh look OP - you've got a pal! 👀

No.

Bigtrip2026 · 18/04/2024 18:27

Well in response to your question I think we can rule out the polite.

Are you routinely approached by men? are you especially attractive? This shouldnt be a reason but sadly it is...Do you dress in a way that some men assume is you on the hunt? Maybe you've been pestered alot by men before so maybe your experience has led you to be this way. It's hard to say without more context.

Overall from your responses i am wondering why you have asked as you seem to feel vindicated already.

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 18/04/2024 18:28

I honestly don't care if a stranger is having a heart attack, lost his dog or wants my phone number the answer is the same

Christ.

YourFogLightsAreOnTheresNoFog · 18/04/2024 18:28

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 18/04/2024 18:12

Nothing to do with "social conditioning" FFS
It's called just generally being a decent person and not an arse to people for no reason.
Being a woman isn't a get out clause for being a dickhead towards people 🙄

This ^

OP is probably rude to women too.

oakleaffy · 18/04/2024 18:29

BirthdayRainbow · 18/04/2024 17:40

I can live with that.

“Could of” is a very basic error that does grate.

Like when people say “ I gave him free reign”

It does cause people to inwardly wince.😬

Londonrach1 · 18/04/2024 18:30

Very rude. What if you were standing in his foot or he needed to slip past you. Listen first to what he politely asked about

daisychain01 · 18/04/2024 18:30

No means no if you in danger of being raped.

you don't really need to over-egg the pudding from a stranger at the bus stop. It isn't necessary.

FrangipaniBlue · 18/04/2024 18:31

Anotherparkingthread · 18/04/2024 18:22

I don't think op was rude. I'd have replied the same way.

I honestly don't care if a stranger is having a heart attack, lost his dog or wants my phone number the answer is the same. Why would I hear somebody out they have nothing I want and or I'm willing to give. Waste of both of our times.

Politeness can get you killed. There's nothing wrong with saying 'no' and the sooner everybody accepts that the safer the world becomes for women.

You think you have nothing to give when someone is having a heart attack???

Karmaisagod · 18/04/2024 18:31

When you said "no", you had no idea what he wanted. That is what is rude, to not give another human being the courtesy of listening to them for a few seconds before dismissing them. What he said afterwards does not matter on bit. It is not a hard thing to grasp. However, judging by how charmingly you come across on your posts, I'd say the bloke had a lucky escape, anyway.

jeaux90 · 18/04/2024 18:31

I'm with the OP. No doesn't have to be handed out with kindness. She doesn't owe men her attention.

Icantbedoingwithit · 18/04/2024 18:32

Batshit! If you were a bar of chocolate you’d eat yourself. 😂

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 18/04/2024 18:34

FrangipaniBlue · 18/04/2024 18:31

You think you have nothing to give when someone is having a heart attack???

This
😥
I'm so fucking glad not everyone's like that poster when a very close family member collapsed whilst out with his heart a while back.
These threads just makes you despair for the human race, when in reality people are usually lovely.

QuackaRoo · 18/04/2024 18:34

It was rude, obviously...

What possessed you to write such a weird f*cking post 😂

phoenixrosehere · 18/04/2024 18:34

Londonrach1 · 18/04/2024 18:30

Very rude. What if you were standing in his foot or he needed to slip past you. Listen first to what he politely asked about

Think she would notice if she was standing on his foot at a bus stop where he approached her.

YourFogLightsAreOnTheresNoFog · 18/04/2024 18:35

QuackaRoo · 18/04/2024 18:34

It was rude, obviously...

What possessed you to write such a weird f*cking post 😂

OP wanted a man bashing thread.

inthekyoo · 18/04/2024 18:35

oakleaffy · 18/04/2024 18:29

“Could of” is a very basic error that does grate.

Like when people say “ I gave him free reign”

It does cause people to inwardly wince.😬

English is not even my second or third language, but ”could of” does make me judge a person strongly. 😂 Sorry. It’s just awful.

If I, as a foreigner, had to learn your language at school - surely you had to learn basic grammatics yourselves?