For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

The Cass review is very good. I don’t think other countries, some of which are further along with gender, have similar

Although some have indicated they will use it to make changes which is good

Here's what the Tory party said when their Maternity Bill was sent back by the HoL who challenged it for its genderwoo content.

The Tory Party is full of TRAs. That's how we got here.

https://debbiehayton.com/2021/03/17/why-does-penny-mordaunt-think-trans-men-are-men/

I've clarified three times that I'm parodying opinions you seem to think are unimportant. If it's still not clear, and you care, let me know what specifically you don't understand and I will attempt, again to clarify.

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@ru53
On whose watch did the issues highlighted in the Cass review happen?? Oh yes, a conservative government.

I'm not against anyone voting to get the tories out. They've certainly got a lot wrong over the last 14 years.
But the idea that somehow we'd be in a better position specifically on the issue of gender under Labour I find really far fetched. There is just more sympathy for gender ideology within Labour than the tories, and there would be even more so if we'd had a Corbyn led govt after 2017 or 2019. (And I'm saying that as someone who quite liked JC) I find it implausible for example that a Corbyn cabinet minister would have used S35 to stop the Scottish GRR Bill.

Couldn’t have put it better myself.

You’re totally right though. The tories have been amazing for women in the last 13 years.

The DfE is non partisan! That's the point of the civil service. But yes the minister for education has been Tory, what's your point?

And what's the relevance of the number of trans people I 'know'? Know in passing, intimately, know of? What does it matter?

So you teach trans pupils, what of it? What's your point?

I want at the very minimum for governments and public services to recognise women. Then, let's talk about what we need to improve public services, end violence, tackle discrimination etc etc.

Tans people need these things too. That's a separate battle. The problem is if we lump them in with women, the 0.1% absolutely do shout down the 51%. We know this.

This .You obviously have a very comfortable life OP !

Not just me, no one I know.
Not work, not socially. Its only ever on MN.

I am in education.
And this isn't an issue
But the cuts are, the threat to our pupils health, safety and education are.

It’s not a separate battle. If we improve public services everyone wins.

This post isn't about my life, why not stick to the issues? We all have the capacity to care about many things simultaneously.

Perhaps, but 'everyone' doesn't win equally. We can only improve women's lives by addressing women's needs.

'everyone' means we're blind to sex, race, disability. That suits the powerful just fine. I'm interested in women and I won't shut up about it 🤪

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The Tories are going to lose. Massively.
If you care this much about this single issue you'd be better off joining the Labour Party and campaignig for the change you want from within their ranks. You could even run for office yourself.
Expecting Sunak and his band of crooks and sex offenders to solve this for you is a fools errand.

I'd say we could improve womens lives by:

1. locking up rapists
2. doing something about violent and degrading porn that's warping mens views of women, including teenage boys
3. providing better child care options
4. providing better elder and disabled care options
5. providing more flexible work
6. dealing with poverty

Absolutely none of that requires knowing specifically what "women need"

Exactly this. This is a list of things which disproportionately affect women in the UK. Improving them would massively benefit women.

And it would also benefit men. I'm absolutely fine with that. There are no losers from tackling these issues. None.

What on earth do you claim the Tories have done over the last 14 years to rectify the issues you have?

The Secretary of State for Education is Gillian Keegan. She can't define the word "girl".

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4714929-gillian-keegan-guidance-does-not-need-to-legally-define-what-a-girl-is?page=1

Couldn’t agree more.

Not this crap again.

Well, we know it isn't poor choices on a population level, because of the link between poverty and ill health demonstrated across countries. We're a society, despite what Thatcher claimed.

Health and social problems: physical health, mental health, drug abuse, education, imprisonment, obesity, social mobility, trust and community life, violence, teenage pregnancies, and child well-being, outcomes are significantly worse in more unequal rich countries.

I Completely agree. I hate hearing people say "oh well I have always x and always will".

That's one of the reasons why things don't change. Vote for whichever party's manifesto you agree with. We may start to actually see some change

Exactly.

But, but the real enemy is the 0.5 pc of people who don't identify as the gender they were born into. NOT.

Yes I know, grim isn't it. If anyone comes canvassing, my go-to question will be, 'What is a woman?'. My thinking is to get these awful people out and go from there. Lobby and lobby one's MP. Makes me so cross.

Of course it's about your life. You've clearly not been majorly affected by the trashing the Tories have done to the country, otherwise you wouldn't dream of voting for more poverty, a shitter NHS, and the continued bullying of the disabled, amongst the legion of things that have been done to ruin the lives of Britons.

When you have to worry about where your next meal is coming from, or how on earth you're going to keep your house warm and free of mould, or how you're possibly going to get any treatment for your health issues, you don't have time to be worrying about who does or doesn't have a penis.