For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

Of course it's not.

So let's get this straight if women are now calling out people they assume are male in women's toilets/ changing rooms or whatever and this upsets a woman who is confronted by mistake this is the fault of the woman? Not the fault of the men who have broken the social contract by entering these spaces without consent in the first place?

Make it make sense!

This is so easy to fix by men staying out, that way no one needs to be wrongly confronted over anything.

Or should women just stfu these days about potential predators?

Exactly! As I said, if it wasn't about looks, what was it then?

Their sex. Sigh.

Well yes of course, totally agree.

Sadly we’re not there and currently it is a mess. So what do we do about it now and for the future where we have thousands of individuals who should have that intervention, without being pushed in the way GIDS appeared to operate.

We can’t forget the USA and other countries rushing into self ID, with lifetime meds and ops as quickly as possible. We know why the USA is doing that.

In terms of starting from scratch - the way children are socialised and educated - paramount. As you say, back to (what should be) basics.

I thought we already used sex based prisons anyway?

So Scarlett Blake is in a male prison

And if I were challenged in a toilet and asked to prove my femininity, I would not feel safe. Quite the opposite.

Sigh.
You don't get to see the contents of someone's pants in the toilets though, do you?!
So if you're challenging someone for being a man, you absolutely are basing it on what they look like.

Same.

Again, people looking convincingly like the opposite sex aren't a reason to have mixed sex spaces.

And if I were challenged in a toilet and asked to prove my femininity, I would not feel safe. Quite the opposite.

Why is this a reason to allow transwomen in women's spaces?

Yes start with children

Currently gender ideology is being pushed this should stop.

We need better child centric information, which would be two x sex class plus broader presentation

Well the activists have to look for reasons to make us lower our boundaries don't they!

Ridiculous.

Honestly if I was in a bathroom and felt threatened by someone who I believed to be a man I certainly wouldn't confront them.

I'd get out of there as safely as possible.

I'm not going to start a fight with a threatening person. And no one who has worked in law enforcement or self defense would ever encourage this either.

Please if you feel threatened by ANYONE keep yourself safe. Don't antagonize.

I actually agree with both of you. It is policing women's appearance to an extent, but it's only doing so because this stupidly regressive ideology is trying to tell us that women are feminine and long-haired and daintily turned out, and if you're short-haired in trousers and flat shoes with stronger features you must be a man.

And again, just to repeat - if we could be more confident that men were staying out of women's spaces, there would be no need for anyone to challenge anyone else because we'd know everyone in there was female.

We don't have mixed sex spaces.
Last time I was out, there are still the ladies toilets and there are still the mens and I think it's a lot more of a danger to women appointing yourself toilet police than any trans women who may or may not be in there at the same time.

Of course it is.

This is why I’d like single sex spaces

*Well the activists have to look for reasons to make us lower our boundaries don't they!

Ridiculous.*

I know. I'm really not getting the 'well I look like a man in the traditional sense that no one can tell I'm a woman and I've been challenged (because men shouldn't be there) and I don't feel safe' as a reason to start allowing trans women into women's spaces.

Someone make it make sense!

I’d always prefer no medical intervention.

However if an adult still wants ‘sex change surgery’ after years of psych work, then what can anyone else do to stop them. It’s their decision.

Should people who have had sex change surgery then ‘be allowed’ into prison of their ‘new’ sex? I don’t think so.

And again, just to repeat - if we could be more confident that men were staying out of women's spaces, there would be no need for anyone to challenge anyone else because we'd know everyone in there was female.

Exactly!!!

Excuse you. I'm not saying that AT ALL.

I'm saying if someone legit feels threatened engaging in a combative way is NOT the solution.

That has nothing to do with it. If I'm walking alone at night and a man is following me and I feel unsafe, I'm not turning around and starting a fight.

I'm encouraging women to keep themselves safe when possible.

Your post just reminded me of the poster it wasn’t an interpretation

I agree don’t engage

My point was gender ideology has led to safeguarding failure for young women

Because it asks they override their instincts

It's not. It's pointing out how tricky the practicalities are.

Prisons, sports, crisis centers, all in my opinion should be biological women only. They are also spaces where someone can specify women only. Where people can be required to specify if they are trans.

There is a women's only spa near me where a transwoman attended. She had a penis and it was a nude spa. I was pretty pissed about that. I found that deeply inappropriate, in fact I'd say illegal due to flashing unsuspecting women.

That said, bathrooms seem to be this issue that gets a lot of attention and I can't understand why.

We are now saying it's ok to harass manly looking women because they might be trans?

I'm on board with men, women's, and unisex.
I don't think Transwomen using the women's bathroom is a huge issue though. I see no evidence it is.

If we can't even tell the difference between men and women sometimes how important is it?

Sports there are biological advantages. Same with prison. Same with crisis centers.

But the bathroom? It's so wishy washy.

In terms of kids I also am against medication.
I will say though the kids I know who identify as trans have mothers who are their biggest cheerleaders to an uncomfortable degree.

My partner has even advised a friend about her girls . He said to just be very blaise about it all. No disagreement, but no huge parade either. They'll eventually figure it out.

I don't think it's simple. I think there are layers.

I can accept some people are trans though. I'm madly in love with my trans partner.

He wouldn't be allowed in the men's bathroom though according to sex, and would be harassed in the women's. That's unacceptable to me.

We are now saying it's ok to harass manly looking women because they might be trans?

Noone has said this.