For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

Yes it's sickening.

They are activists for these men.

*I have to comment about this. I thought that that comment was awful.

@valensiwalensi was suggesting you should have therapy rather than the cross dressing male stay out of a single sex space.

Most reasonable people don't think like that.*

Same. Shouldn't have been justified with a response.

I don't support sex segregation in any circumstance where some women want it to be away from men.

And what circumstances would these be then?

Thanks @lifeturnsonadime I wish I could be as eloquent as you and explain how I feel. Everything at work is how that person feels. I agree with what you say 100%.

Well clearly others don't think it's nonsense.
I agree with it which is why I quoted it.
I have seen a more slide to segregation on here lately, I clearly remember a post a while back where people were saying how lovely public transportation in some countries which were women only would be great here for example, and the whole adulation of our bodies and birthing etc, it does to me all seem regressive and going backwards.
"A nice fresh line against women" is just a cop out of just not wanting to listen to other women on the subject.

Or maybe trying to find solutions to deal with, or get away from, problematic men? Your scorn is at the women, not the men causing someone to want women only transport! The misogyny is ripping out of this post.

Any answer on self ID and puberty blockers?

I don’t agree with your take, any mention of the Taliban is ludicrous, but wondering how much you support gender ideology

Yes. This is an example of why Labour are not women’s friend. Repulsive LRM, a symptom rather than a cause. Disgusting.

Can I just remind posters of what dime actually said?

"My definition of trans rights Activism extends to anyone who is prepared to say that women is anything other than adult human female."

She is saying most of the population are "activists".

the largest single group in society are those who think people should be able to both socially and legally change their gender, at 38%.

Another 11% of Britons are happy for people to be able to live as a different gender socially, but don’t think they should be able to get legal recognition for their change. Another 6% think people should be able to change their social gender, but are unsure of whether they should be able to do so legally.

https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1

The majority in a democracy is an important concept. Even if you you think they believe in sunlit unicorn uplands.

And in glorious motion. Around 4:09 if you’re short of time. But the female tory Miriam Cates MP is talking about her experience in female toilets. And LRM response.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hi5bw

His behaviour afterwards. Who does that? I know, men do.

I don't think that anyone really believes that men with a penis who identify as trans and women (the cunty type) are the same.

What do women have in common with men who try to present as women that doesn't boil down to regressive stereotypes?

I don't wear make up, most of the time I wear men's track suit bottoms and t-shirt. I prefer drinking beer to wine and find I have more in common with men most of the time in terms of my interests? Am I a man?

Why should women lose safeguarding from all males because some men like to wear dresses?

Add to that that some of these men are AGP and larping as women and being accepted as such is a kink, they are no kind of woman. Yet they can get a GRC just as easily as any other man.

The world has gone mad. We've been conditioned and lied to by the likes of Stonewall. The gig is now up. Women are not the same as men. We are not support humans. We are not reduced to a bunch of stereotypes.

I would say that someone being an activist or not isn't a simple binary as you may have been taught. It's actually more of a bimodal distribution.

And whilst we’re here, before a meeting I need to attend. All men I might add. Apart from me. That’s my working life. None of them would dream of -trying- to intimidate me in this way. They are respectful and professional.

But that’s not why I’m posting. The transgender woo debate and consequences have hijacked the English language. So much so some words don’t mean much any more. This is a classic method of manipulating people. Control the language. Control the narrative. Thank goodness England are standing out from others. But how long will this last? Not long under Labour, it seems. Unless they update their stance.

Key Takeaways. From where?

I don't think that anyone really believes that men with a penis who identify as trans and women (the cunty type) are the same.

Just to add I don't think that men who have extreme body surgery to remove their penis are women either.

I just wonder what the word for the group of humans who are female and have survived to adulthood is? We used to call this group of humans women.

If this has changed and it now means any human who has survived to adulthood who declares themselves to be one either with a piece of paper or not, then my point from earlier is proven. The word woman is meaningless.

How can we protect the people formerly known as women who are females who have survived to adulthood if we don't have a word for them?

I still think persisting in calling someone an activist using that definition constitutes a personal attack.

So report it then.

Some might think this constitutes trying to shut women speaking up for women's rights up.

I don't agree it is a personal attack by the way it is merely pointing out that if you see the harms to women and still come on internet sites to tell women we are wrong, that we don't need safeguarding and that we should lower our boundaries to include some men, then I believe you are a trans rights activist.

You are by definition engaging in activism for the benefit of trans people over the rights of women.

Yes I agree with this

And me. It’s deeply depressing to see feminism in retreat. It really makes me wonder why we bothered back in the 70s.

If someone says that they think there are more pressing priorities when making a decision about who to vote for I think they are entitled to that view.

I think there are more pressing priorities.

I think I'm entitled to that view without being called an activist. If you call me one I will certainly report it.

I don't think @AdamRyan is an activist, I think they are a pragmatic moderate on this issue, like the majority in this country. Happy for transwomen to live their day to day lives as they wish. I can see sex based segregation is required in some areas such as sport, prisons, health care but in most areas of life men and women mix together freely and I certainly don't have an issue with transwomen sharing with women in most aspects of life. I don't see transwomen as a terrible problem or threat to be addressed and as an issue it won't influence my vote (I am more concerned about poverty, health, education and housing). I don't think that makes me an activist and if I don't think the cap fits, I won't wear it.

I think some posters on this thread are zealots who will never accept the existence of transwomen, I think that is more of an activist stance myself.

I disagree with the idea transwomen ‘don’t exist’

I don’t think we’re dealing with gender dysphoria well though and some ways we’re dealing with it are harmful, especially to children and young people. Puberty blockers is a good example. The Cass review is also showing where we’ve gone wrong.

I don’t think single sex spaces for dignity, privacy or safety or fairness in sports is extreme at all.

I can see sex based segregation is required in some areas such as sport, prisons, health care but in most areas of life men and women mix together freely and I certainly don't have an issue with transwomen sharing with women in most aspects of life. I don't see transwomen as a terrible problem or threat to be addressed and as an issue it won't influence my vote (I am more concerned about poverty, health, education and housing)

Same

@HeadNorth would you have preferred self ID and puberty blockers to continue?

I don’t think single sex spaces for dignity, privacy or safety or fairness in sports is extreme at all

The person you're quoting though clearly doesn't
as well though as they literally said I can see sex based segregation is required in some areas such as sport, prisons so you're presumably agreeing with them there?!

To be more concerned about poverty, health, housing and social care than self ID issues when voting doesn't make someone an activist.