For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

" The vast majority of people here believe in biological reality and people's right to not be made to pretend they believe otherwise "

Can you expand on what you mean by that?

Or maybe specify exactly where we differ in opinion?

@AutumnCrow

But I daresay the misleading rhetoric of the BBC and the hybrid nouveau UK-US Guardian might give a different impression.

As opposed to?

Can't speak for AutumnCrow but I'd say that just as your choice is to respect everyone's preferred pronouns, there are people who feel it's important to not have to do that, and sometimes be clear that a male is a male.

Many trans rights activists would say that is unreasonable, and in some countries it might even be illegal, for example ...

Germany just made misgendering a criminal offence, in Australia a woman risks having to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds in damages for not allowing a male to join her female only networking app, and IIRC in california the state can remove your child if you don't support their transition.

So sometimes when we're talking about UK political parties and we come across as crazy to give conservatives any credit on this issue, it can be because we're seeing it in the context of this global clash of ideologies, where we fear the UK could easily move towards some of these more authoritarian versions of trans rights activism.

Good post. The U.K. is leading in some ways. If you look at Cass review, stopping puberty blockers and recent court cases

But it’s easy to see where gender ideology has taken other countries

Actually more England, as Scotland is diverging

but I just wanted to observe that this is a daft Labour tactic to trivialise the crucial issues of children's safeguarding and women's rights as 'culture wars'. My Labour MP tried it on with me as per the Party HQ memo, along with the clichéd 'less heat more light' crap.

Call it 'the safeguarding wars' and see how that suddenly sounds in your head.

And ask if puberty blockers are ok or males in female sports as there’s a tendency to trivialise

Why is it women’s responsibility to solve the problem of where non-gender-conforming men pee? Why can’t more men step up and work to protect them in their spaces?

(Also, why are we seeing no evidence of this supposed wave of violence against feminine-presenting men in men’s spaces? When a TW being “misgendered” makes the headlines and there are calls for it to be logged as a “hate incident”, if not a “hate crime”, you’d think actual harm being done or threatened to TW in male spaces would be front page news.)

I think you are being purposely ignorant to think and say a trans woman in a men’s toilet would not be subject to harassment and abuse.

This is wild.

If Tories do 99 bad things to women, then just because you agree with 1, you literally vote on the one percent good they do for women.

Wild. Wild. Wild.

So males are a threat?

I think you are being purposely ignorant to think and say a trans woman in a men’s toilet would not be subject to harassment and abuse.

There is no actual evidence this happens. If an incident like this were ever to occur, the answer isn't then to start using women's bathrooms.

Males can be a great when they see a trans woman yes.

Men need to be ok with Trans women standing next to them at the urinal. Once that change happens, life can go on for everyone.

yes, and then unicorns will fly through the sky and shit sprinkle covered turds.

Can males be a threat to women?

Is it only transwomen they’re a threat to in male toilets? Effeminate gay men, disabled men, young boys all perfectly safe? Or should we be opening the doors of women’s spaces and ushering them right in too?

If not, why not?

I was not going to reply to this as it upset me because once again someone is telling me to shut up, but after a good sleep I'm not letting it lie and not willing to be told I am prejudiced.

This person comes into work in dresses and heels, very feminine and this person is 6ft 2 without the heels, so much taller than me. I'm only 5ft 2. That does not matter, this person can dress like that.

But this person also comes in in man-mode as they call it. Dressed like a man in double denim with five o'clock shadow. They are in man-mode because they couldn't be arsed to shave today - their words. They can do that.

But they still go in the women's toilets either dressed as a woman or a man.

I was assaulted years ago when a man followed me in. I had counselling at the time but I cannot forget. I hate having to bring this up with my manager. I dont want people at work to know and have to go through it again and I want to get on with my life.

But I have escalated to someone at work and I was not looked after. I was offered counselling, but it was to make me accept this man (or any future TW they said) in my space. I am the problem, not this person. This person or any future TW will not hurt me they said and yes I believe they are right with this one I work with, they barely acknowledge me. But I get panicky when a big man barges into the toilet block behind me and I cant explain to anyone how that feels. I am looking for another job.

Why won't these politicians listen?

What is an effiminate gay male doing in a bathroom that’s going to warrant attention?

have you had any form of therapy?

If you talk about male threat can you acknowledge male threat to women generally?

Then you might see why single sex spaces are important

Do you have an answer to the question I asked?

it’s such a lazy attempt at a “Gotcha” though. Try harder.

it’s such a lazy attempt at a “Gotcha” though. Try harder.

You're just answering valid questions with questions though?

Because your question and subsequent answer is too obvious.

I think you should reread the thread when the dust has settled. She is not gaslighting you at all.

Because your question and subsequent answer is too obvious.

Not even sure what that means. I think you're trying for a 'gotcha' and failing. Massively.