For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

Women's rights are never collateral damage. That's why we need to stop the Tories eroding any more of them.

A Tory vote is an Anti-woman vote.

Will you be voting Tory yourself @lifeturnsonadime?

@AdamRyan that's exactly why they have done sod all and are now bringing it up in relation to electioneering- same goes for all the Rwanda mumbo jumbo - its a 'look how hard we are and what we want to do' and those nasty people in the lords and other parties keep voting against it - so let's kick it down the line as far as we can whilst 'dangling it like a carrot' for those who think it's a fab idea

Anyone voting Tory is always unreasonable.

Unreasonable scum?

No currently I'll be exercising my democratic right by spoiling the ballot paper on the basis of no suitable candidates. If the SDP stood in my area they would get my vote but they don't.

I am hoping very much that things will change between now and the general election.

Labour have to do some back tracking and make some apologies to get my vote. There is still time.

Of course this is a valid point.

I suspect the Tories are using this as a point scoring exercise rather than genuinely caring about women.

BUT Labour are leaving them with a bit of an open goal which is on them really. There is still time.

I think there's an element of using it as a carrot for the GE, but also I think there's a sense from all parties that the equality act is a massive can of worms and they'd all rather not spend their limited political energy trying to change it and having to deal with the fallout of that.

Of course it's a point scoring excercise, the Tories don't give a fuck about women. Which begs the question, why do you come onto these threads defending them @lifeturnsonadime?

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They never have an answer for than funnily enough.

I'm not!!!!

You are completely misinterpreting me.

I'm asking LABOUR to do the right thing by women.

They could you know!

Yes this is true.

Plus factor in the lack of real political appetite. It's only been in the last 12 months or so that women can (sometimes) freely speak without having posts removed, even from Mumsnet.

That's one of the reasons why it is essential to look at the intentions of whichever party you are going to vote for when it comes to voting if this matters to you.

Ask questions of your candidates, Labour have said women don't talk about these things on the doorstep. Start asking questions if these issues matter to you.

We live in a democracy. You can vote for anyone on the ballot paper - that is the whole point. I don't think anyone should be judging other people's choices.
And there is nothing wrong with voting Conservative.

Oh right. You're just just doing the but Labour thing on these threads because... what? Also why are you smearing misrepresenting Tory critics as TRAs and MRAs? Not to mention accusing posters of being willing to throw women and children under the bus for voting not Tory.

Are you happy for women and children to be collateral damage because you won't vote Reform UK, who are likely to post candidates in your council/constituency?

Case in point.

Left leaning women can't dare ask for women to be treated as fully human for fear of being castigated as 'tories' or aligned with the anti immigration stance of Reform.

Labour does have a problem with women and you actually demonstrate this very well.

Where do you stand Too Big? Women's rights to be treated fully human independently of males too much to ask? What about minority women on the urinary leash or sexual abuse survivors? Too much? Rapists in women's prisons a-ok? Children being taught gender as fact in school a-ok? Women not having sporting opportunities a- oK?

I have no idea if Reform UK post candidates in my ward. Highly unlikely to be honest. I wouldn't vote for them if they did because their politics don't align with mine.

A compassionate forward thinking Labour Party could do the right thing by women and children. Why don't they?

A compassionate forward thinking Labour Party could do the right thing by women and children. Why don't they?

So could the Tories. Why don’t they? You never ask this question though. Why not?

How do I demonstrate that Labour has a problem with women?

By telling a woman who cares about women's rights not to dare ask Labour to support women and children vis a vis the trans agenda AND assuming one who does is a Tory shill or a Reform UK voter!

Flipping ridiculous.

I haven't done that.

Oh jesus, I don't want the Tory party to win the next election. I don't think they will.

It is completely appropriate to be asking questions of the opposition about how they will govern when they get into power.

Women have been expelled from the Labour party in the past for asking these questions. If their stance has changed you would think they would claifiy this (and apologise to the women they expelled).

Eh? 1) I don't think big votes Labour IIRC, not everyone who's not a Tory is Labour. 2) the only person on this thread implying people are activists is you.

I think you need to calm down before engaging further

Well you have as near as damned it done that as people can see if they read your post of 21.13 amongst others.

So if you are not doing that can we talk about this or are you going to continue to suggest that any woman who wants to vote Labour and want to be able to do so on good conscience on this issue ought really to vote Reform?

She's right though. If it's such a huge issue for you, that is your only choice. Unless you have a Party of Women candidate, pretty unlikely though.

You can't shoot the messenger.

I think Big does vote labour but she might well correct me if I'm wrong.

I am perfectly calm thank you very much.

Anyone who thinks men can be women and should be in women's single sex spaces at this point are activists. I maintain this position.

If you believe this you simply put the wishes of males before the safety and dignity of women despite tons of evidence of the harm.

There isn't ANYONE worth voting for right now. All the same.

Or Labour could put women first and treat women as fully human.

They really could.