For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

Actually turnout for the EU referendum was above the usual for a General Election.

I don't 'have' to do anything, but thanks for the lecture. I absolutely can't endorse the Tories' policies on benefits, welfare, the NHS or criminal justice system funding; equally I can't endorse anyone who pretends not to know what a woman is. There is no 'least worst' option between those for me, it's like asking would I rather vote to have a leg cut off or lose an eye. If there is no decent independent candidate standing in my constituency and I end up spoiling my ballot paper, that's up to me. And if that happens it will be the first time I haven't voted in 30+ years.

I think the definition of TRA that @lifeturnsonadime gives is inflammatory. It's also absolutely without foundation to accuse posters of doing Labour's bidding then, when challenged, to claim that regular posters know who she means.

I also agree with @AccidentallyWesAnderson that there is a difference between being a trans ally and being a TRA.

Have you ever read the Denton's Document?

DENTON’S DOCUMENT – THE GENDER COLLECTION

Because the OP is saying to vote Tory because they don't think they are equally shit in this area.

The poster was just pointing out that they are equally shit about this, so the OPs premise is flawed.

They are both shit about this. For me, the Tories are then shitter about everything else and I can only imagine how much worse they'd get if people still got for them. They'll rightly think they can get away with anything.

Easy decision to make for me.

It's easier for me because I don't believe the Tories when some of them pretend to know what a woman is.

Some of them still won't define them either.

It's more, have a leg cut off or have a leg cut off and your eye poked out.

*wealthy women's interests I'm sure she means...

Referring to SureStart as a 'quaint little idea' only weeks after more evidence of its massive positive effects on children and families has emerged tells me all I need to know about you, OP.

OP wasn’t being serious ref Sure Start being ‘a quaint little idea’. Obviously.

It wasn't obvious at all. It was also unnecessary.

No.

But my views on this have changed over time.

Based on the evidence we now have of harms.

If Keegan is still supporting trans ideology in school then she's an activist. If she is still saying that boys can be girls and should have access to girls changing facilities in school then she's an activist.

But my understanding is that schools guidance is changing in light of recent findings thank goodness.

YABU. Not even read the op

Why is it inflammatory. You either believe that trans women are women or you don't. If we don't then why are we removing women's rights in favour of a group of men?

We can't pretend that harms are not happening to prop up a tiny minority of men.

Some posters on here are asking women to turn a blind eye to this because it's Labour and they are better than the Tories, that is activism.

If a Labour voter says that they are holding their nose whilst voting Labour because they believe that this is for the greater good and that Labour can be convinced to do the right thing in the long term but they don't agree with the current position on this then they are not activists.

It is the ones who are saying that they agree with Labour on this or that this issue isn't important or try to hide that it is an issue that are active in supporting the status quo which harms women.

This!

Stating that you feel that other issues have a higher priority doesn't make you a TRA.

That's not the same as "My definition of trans rights Activism extends to anyone who is prepared to say that women is anything other than adult human female."

I'm prepared to say "woman" as a term includes males with a GRC. Because that's legal reality.

I don't support trans ideology in schools. I don't agree boys should have access to girls changing rooms.

Am I a TRA?

I have to say I am enjoying the poll on this thread. Even "they know what a woman is!!" Isn't working any more.

I blame Anderson for leaking the plan

If you believe that the current law should stand and that men who hold a piece of paper that given them the status of legal women are women and should have access to women's single sex spaces then yes you are an activist in my opinion.

The evidence is there to support the fact that this law harms women.

Anyone who can see the harm and supports this is an activist for the rights of trans identifying men over women who need single sex spaces for their safety and dignity.

Enough is enough.

And Adam before you say it I know the Tories are not planning to revoke the GRC but they do intend to remove the harms of it by amending the Equality Act.

OK. So basically all the current government and both major opposition parties are TRAs then. In fact everyone apart from the SDP and Reform.

Helpful definition 😂

What’s keeping them? Is 14 years not long enough?

I think that depends on whether you conclude that women's rights are acceptable collateral damage or not.

Yes they should get a move on. Agreed.

Are they heck. If they wanted to, they would. They have the majority to do it and a good lot of public support.

The reality is they don't want to, because as Anderson said, they need a debate on trans politics for any chance of avoiding electoral obliteration. So they have no intention of doing anything apart from playing women for fools.

I mean… you are being absolutely unreasonable and a bit stupid (sorry) if you believe this means Tory’s support women.
All the austerity, the shit CMS, the lack of public services.. who do you think this hits hardest???? You are being really really naive and swallowing their lies if you believe that THIS means tories support women. Reality is that all the other issues; particularly the lack of decent welfare state and public services, mean that actually women are way way way way way worse off with a Tory government. Don’t you see that they are treating you as an idiot?? You need to open up your perspective to see the whole breadth of policies and their impact on women.

Exactly. Why do people think that the Tories haven't already amended the Equality Act? They could have done, if they had wanted to. They have a decent majority so they wouldn't struggle to get it through parliament.

Do people really not see that it suits them very well to ensure that this issue remains unresolved because of the political advantage that they think this gives them?

If they really care about protecting single sex spaces for women, what do you think has stopped them from doing it this far?