For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

If someone can't define girl and indeed think a legal definition of girl how can we trust them to define women? Yet our current Tory Secretary of State for Education not only refused to define girl, she said there's no need to have a legal definition.🤯

Don't vote Tory folks. They're disastrous for women.

You haven't defined the ones who you've asserted are doing Labour's bidding.

What's that got to do with the fact that Labour are equally shit?

There was never a need for definitions until the Labour Party introduced the concept of women with penises when it enacted the Gender Recognition Act.

Everyone KNOWS what a woman and a girl is it's not fucking rocket science is it.

Are you trying to get me banned for some form of troll/bot hunting?

I don't have to answer that question.

It will be obvious to regular posters which posters I am referring to.

This is a thread about voting for the Tories. If you think Labour would be just as shit don't vote for them either.

Voting Tory is accepting the tripling of assaults on women in prison. It's also increasing the risks posed by the 5 or so men in women's prisons.

I'm not disagreeing with the premise of keeping men out of women's prisons, but with the idea that voting Tory will make the majority of women safer. It's pretty clear that from everything from crime, poverty, health, environment, education, worker's rights, welfare etc that the opposite is true.

Yes. 💯

How predictable that so many women think you should forget your daughters’ basic rights today to safety, dignity and comfort - to not be called a ‘person with ovaries’ or ‘chest feeder’ because of so many other issues. NB no one ever said to BLM - ‘but what about poverty?’ etc. No one ever says that to gay rights campaigners or transactivists.

They only ever expect women to put their rights last.

Yes. 💯

Voting Tory is accepting the tripling of assaults on women in prison. It's also increasing the risks posed by the 5 or so men in women's prisons.

Can you please provide some evidence for this statement because it seems very bold indeed?

I'm no fan of the Tories but I wonder how you have come to this conclusion?

My definition of trans rights activism extends now to anyone who is prepared to say that women is anything other than adult human female.

Great. So the actual TRAs going around threatening GC women, sharing images of the pink baseball bats in barbed wire they want to use to "beat TERFs" and calling women "cuntscum" get grouped with people with completely normal, mainstream views on trans politics.

Great. So the actual TRAs going around threatening GC women, sharing images of the pink baseball bats in barbed wire they want to use to "beat TERFs" and calling women "cuntscum" get grouped with people with completely normal, mainstream views on trans politics.

These 'completely normal' mainstream views on trans politics were based on the fact that the public have been lied to by politicians and lobby groups. Now we have seen the harms done and have seen the Cass report which demonstrates the harms done to children anyone who still thinks that men are women if they say so and that that should give them access to women's single sex space is a trans rights activist. Anyone who believes that children should have access to puberty blockers is an activist.

The violent activists who are mostly men who are threatening women are criminals.

Not all trans activists are criminals, but all pose a threat to the safety and dignity of women and children by brushing these issues under the carpet in favour of the wishes of some males.

Really? How did you miss the debates on BLM and poverty? “We said Black Lives Matter, and the government tried to gaslight Black communities,

” Zita Holbourne, trade unionist and chair of campaign group Black Activists Against Rising Cuts, told The Big Issue. “They were trying to separate poverty and austerity’s impact from anything to do with race, effectively telling us that the racism we say exists is just in our minds or in the past.”

In fact, the intersectionality of issues of class, race and sex are frequently debated across all the areas you mention.

According to lifes definition she's a TRA. Best not vote for them.

Why are Labour eroding women’s rights by increasing men’s rights? Because if as they say some women have penises, women as a separate sex don’t appear to exist at all.

Please check the voting history of your Tory party candidate in your area. Ours (a senior minister) has consistently voted against all policies that would improve the lives of women, disabled people, LGBTQ people, children and anyone other than wealthy, white upper class.

So why say it in the first place? Oh and for the record, I don't agree with your definition of TRA either.

Well that's up to you.

Anyone who supports the right of men who claim to have a gender identity to have the right to be in women's spaces is an activist in my opinion.

Women are fully human. We should have the right to exist and live our lives independently of men for our safety and dignity.

I'm sure @lifeturnsonadime recognises that Gillian Keegan is one of the most dangerous TRAs in the country since PM Sunak put her in charge of our children's education.

Thinking that a woman is anything other than an adult human female isn't a completely normal mainstream view, or shouldn't be. If you do then you are part of the problem. For me there's a difference between a trans ally and a TRA. Women and women and tranwomen are transwomen.

Anyone who CONTINUES to put trans ideology into school in light of CASS is a TRA, is that what Keegan is proposing?

Do you have evidence of that?

Everyone was duped by Stonewall/ Mermaids etc. Some brave women have been talking about this for years. Some have lost their jobs, been threatened, been expelled by the Labour Party for raising concerns.

I do not criticise anyone who has not previously put their head above the parapet.

I criticise anyone who has now seen the evidence and wishes to continue harm to women and children.

But you go ahead and misrepresent me.

You have to pick the least worst of the lot. People not voting don't help. One of them will get voted as the leader, so why not pick yourself. So many didn't vote on EU referendum and now they complain.

'Trans ally' is interesting.

I have no gripe with individual trans people so long as they don't expect to take rights away from women or don't seek to harm children.

I have real concerns for vulnerable children who have been harmed by adults that they should have been able to trust. It is awful that they were led to believe that puberty blockers and surgery are the answers to autism, mental heath conditions, trauma and other non conformity to gendered stereotype. A lot of work will be needed to unpick the added trauma that 'gender ideology' has done to these children.

But there comes a point where if, as a society, we don't roll back on the harms done to women and children being an 'ally' is making a person complicit in continued harms.

This, I know, is moving away from the purpose of the thread but I'm just trying to explain myself.

Women who are prepared to vote for ANY political party that is more concerned about the 0.1 % of males than women and children is not one I can vote for.

This is why I am so desperately disappointed in both the Tories and Labour on this issue.

Labour could so easily do better by women and children. Why don't they?

My definition of trans rights Activism extends to anyone who is prepared to say that women is anything other than adult human female.
Because anything else is putting the rights of trans identifying males above the safety and dignity of women.

Have you changed your mind since you wrote that @lifeturnsonadime because Gillian Keegan falls into that category?

I will be voting Conservative.
I think that the first thing Labour/Lib/Green would do in power is capitulate to the TRA.

I agree with you @lifeturnsonadime. The trans lobby has been verrryyy influential in policy, companies, institutions, education, the list goes on, you have to wonder why considering they are a tiny minority.

It’s because the GRA legislation enables it