For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

Stop shouting at me.

"Womens rights" is a lot more than saying "woman = adult human female".

This is a thread about Tories.

@EasternStandard

Do you go on that board much?

Indeed I do. It's been a favourite study of mine. I'm aware of the trends over time, and it has changed. That is to be expected with any group though.

This again. I swear it's the Conservative Press Office who keep posting this stuff, given they've clearly identified MN as potential voters because of the GC thing.

I agree with you. It's a very different type of feminism than it was.

Maybe you'll get it. Maybe you won't. The choice is between Definitely a Shit Sandwich with the Tories and Possibly a shit sandwich with anyone else.

This is a thread about Tories.

It's a thread about being unreasonable for voting Tory. It's not really much of a stretch to include discussion about their main opposition if agreeing that it would be unreasonable to vote for them. It's a discussion forum, people can post what they want.

I find it odd to come on a thread about voting conservative and get so aerated about not voting Labour. Other parties are available. Or there's always the option to abstain.

There could be a tendency to notice what you don’t align with on mn threads

So the pp and you see one thing whereas it’s obvious to me there’s a range of feminism and backgrounds but the main uniting factor is the need for single sex spaces and GC generally

Of course the board was split due to complaints so it can be avoided easily

I think you do the posters a disservice. Maybe seeing what you expect

@TooBigForMyBoots Labour have also quite rightly not published a manifesto as of yet - why would you when the Tory's just nick anything that seems to go down well with the public as they are totally devoid of ideas themselves

It’s obviously relating to gender and sex as it’s the board set up

If you want the feminism chat it’s now there

Who are the TRAs on the thread doing Labour's bidding then?

Is this the age old problem of people holding Labour to higher (possibly impossibly high?) standards? You expect them to tick every box for you, but accept the Tories won't- and it feels to me like , therefore , the Tories can just do what they like.

It feels lose-lose for Labour under those circumstances. Because you quite simply cannot please every voter. If they go too left wing, they put people off, too woke, they put some people off, too GC they put people off. Support Israel, Support ceasefire. Jewish vote, Muslim vote/ Black vote (not that I hear much discussion of that voter demographic). Women's vote (which assumes all women think the same..). Scottish vote. Brexit . Red Wall. Environmental vote.

I'm at a loss as to what they are supposed to do. There is no party that will porvide it all for every voter. I will go for the one that is best for the people I think matter the most. I won't give a definition for fear any word I choose will be ripped to shreds via semantics.

I'm well aware thanks and I know regulars like you are very keen that us more "old school" feminists don't post on FWR for some reason.

It's almost like the old fashioned views about the oppression of women, exploitation of us for free caring and reproductive labour, risk of sexual and domestic violence and the need for men to change their behaviour to improve the lot of women are no longer relevant.

Which is a shame as in the real world women are continuing to be shat on from all angles.

I haven’t told you where to post but you do complain a lot about it. I don’t particularly see you as ‘old school’ or anything really just someone who feels disgruntled about the posters on there.

It’s obvious it will focus on the board topic.

Stay or go it makes no odds to me. I stay as I appreciate the level of insight.

So why, as a Labour voter, are you on here?

If it's about Tories wanting to vote Tories why have you put your views on here or are you doing that thread police thing again?

If you can't define women correctly and women as adult human females then how do we know which human's women's rights should be for?

How many trans identifying men are housed in UK women's prisons? The last official figures put it at 5. It should be easy to manage the risks in a properly funded penal system.

The guidelines have been made more robust, but if you're not funding the services that make the assessments on where best to place people, you're increasing the potential risks.

This depends on your definition of trans right's activism , surely.

My definition of trans rights activism extends now to anyone who is prepared to say that women is anything other than adult human female.

Because anything else is putting the rights of trans identifying males above the safety and dignity of women.

I'm sick of it. Never in my life has the lot of women been so awful. You've got the impact of tory policies on women and the left don't think we exist as a sex class either in spite of the harms of the last 14 years.

All of those things that feminists said would happen have now started to happen and it's still not enough for any party (with a real chance of election success), to put its head above the parapet and really protect women and children.

YABU - they’re corrupt.

Just one is awful for the women concerned.

How many is too many for you? What's your number of women harmed by males in the prison estate for you to say enough?

@EasternStandard

It’s obviously relating to gender and sex as it’s the board set up

If you want the feminism chat it’s now there

Well ... thanks. I know that. But that one doesn't get much traction, does it? The FWR one does - the one with 95% trans-related threads.

Ok so you are similar to the pp in that it’s the topic that’s the issue

There’s not much that can be done other than start threads in feminism and see if others who feel the same join in

But to get annoyed at sex and gender covering that topic is a bit like getting annoyed the dog topic focuses on that

It’s more women’s sex based rights btw rather than ‘trans’ stuff. Women first in the chat - and children of course

But that one doesn't get much traction, does it?

no, which is really weird because before the change this forum was inundated with posters who wanted the boards split so they could do all the threads they wanted without sex/gender that other much meaner and apparently conservative feminists wouldn’t let them do

to be fair i did think they were just lying fuckers at the time, but benefit of the doubt and all that

How predictable that so many women think you should forget your daughters’ basic rights today to safety, dignity and comfort - to not be called a ‘person with ovaries’ or ‘chest feeder’ because of so many other issues. NB no one ever said to BLM - ‘but what about poverty?’ etc. No one ever says that to gay rights campaigners or transactivists.

They only ever expect women to put their rights last.

If Labour cared about those other issues why are they obsessing over ‘trans rights’ and risking alienating women? ALSO you can talk about poverty etc - please remember that it is the most vulnerable women who suffer most under gender ideology. Women and girls who are disabled (especially those needing intimate care), elderly women with dementia, women admitted to hospital, women who don’t speak English, women in prison, victims of sexual assault and victims of domestic violence.

Labour are putting the wants of MEN far above the needs and the rights of all those women.

Yes where did they go 🤔

It was demanded by a fair few

Dunno eastern, its a puzzle thats what it is…