For voting Tory

[Whatismypasswordthen]

I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

Well said

Starmer is going to take us "back to the dark ages" by prioritising dealing with repeat rapists and domestic abusers, providing affordable childcare across the country and protecting workers rights, even those on flexible and 0 hours contracts?

So the answer for "enlightenment" is to vote Conservative, who want women to provide free elderly care to show they love their families, want our children in dangerous schools, and have zero policies to protect any kind of women's rights, including "womens sex based rights"?

OK. Sounds logical

Thank you.

The way TRA is thrown about as soon as someone disagrees even the tiniest bit with the FWR party line is risible.

I have no problem with transwomen who have a GRC. I do not see trans people as the big existential threat that you do. I think the asset stripping of our country by the Tories and their mates is a far bigger threat to mine and my daughters' futures.

Don't forget those who think women's place is in the home because we're naturally the carers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/19/stay-at-home-motherhood-being-undermined-says-senior-tory-mp

Er what? How did you get that from my post?🤯🤯🤯 Please read what I post instead of making up shit that I didn't say or imply.

96% of students are in state schools, so this issue is unlikely to capture the wider electorate.

So no issue for you that your daughter should have to share spaces and compete in sport against a male with a piece of paper that says he's a woman?

No issue for you that if your daughter, god forbid, is the victim of rape she should be denied single sex rape crisis care and told that she should reframe her trauma if she doesn't want therapy from or with a person with a penis? Or she should call her rapist 'she' to respect his gender if it ends up in court?

Bear in mind that service providers are, largely, prohibited by law from asking for evidence of a GRC so all males are allowed into these spaces.

I agree with you regarding asset stripping btw.

Wouldn't it be great to get rid of the Tories and their asset stripping and ALSO protect the rights of our daughters?

Why is this too much to ask of Labour?

If you’d rather see the NHS destroyed, schools ruined ( state that is, obvs the ivory towered private ones will be given the tax breaks, the charity status, as per) Council services decimated, elder care neglected, parks fall to rack and ruin, roads crumble… then so be it.

Why should it be either/ or?

Why can't Labour protect women and children too?

‘I’d vote Labour if they weren't going to add 20% VAT to private school fees. We are already only just paying them as it is! Unfortunately, all the state schools by us are shit with parents who don’t even bother to parent ‘

boo fucking hoo. Another private school whinger banging on about the fact their fees keep going up.
I have also yet to meet a private school parent who doesn’t claim that the local state schools are all awful, which given the catchment system I find really hard to believe. Weird that all these well off people are living in such shite areas… you’d think they’d consider moving…

If you think the Tories care about women you are an absolute fool.

Vote for whoever best represents your views and interests. No explanation or justification needed.

May I ask, out of interest, what you think having a GRC means? As in, what does it say about the person's transition, or the process they've gone through to attain the GRC?

(I've already said upthread that I have no political allegiance whatsoever atm so I promise I'm not waiting to try to pounce with a Tory 'gotcha'. I'm genuinely interested to hear, because of my experience of talking to others about it and what they think a GRC signifies.)

@AdamRyan
So one can afford to send ones daughters to nursery because kind lovely peoples party Labour have made childcare more affordable. And then the daughters age 9 go into a toilet at the leisure centre / restaurant whatever, and get raped by a man in a dress? Then that man (if convicted, in a court that addresses him as Mrs Smith)goes into a women’s prison. Where he rapes his female cell mate. Meanwhile the daughters go to a rape counselling service where there are men in dresses in their support group. So they can’t go there because it’s too traumatic. But they can’t say why. So no support for them.

This is just one example. But at least they got to go to nursery for longer hey.

First post nailed it.

Yes voting tory is insane

As I say, I don't see this as a big threat - the proportion of trans people is tiny and the majority of that tiny proportion just want to live their lives in peace and dignity in the way that feels authentic to them. I have no problem with that and I think the few high profile cases trotted out to terrify us are not representative of the true picture or respectful of trans people.

One of my daughters has worked with the female prison population and those poor women have 99 problems, but trans people ain't one. Anyone who cared about female prisoners should care about the most vulnerable, abused and down trodden women in our society and voting Tory will not help them, quite the opposite.

Those things do protect women and children. For example, If you really want women to be safe from assault in prison, voting Tory won't achieve that aim.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prison-women-violence-self-harm-b2484746.html

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 16:32
Whatismypasswordthen · Yesterday 16:30

See my post above. Happy to clarify nuance which may be lost in translation. Sure start was the stand out policy for the Blair government, utilising public buildings for the benefit of women and children (without excluding men). That's what we did with libraries before drag queen story time.

That makes no sense. Absolutely none.

That’s generally the case, with bots.

Hmm. I wonder why people are suspicious of Tories on social media. Could it be people remember the last election campaign?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/20/twitter-accuses-tories-of-misleading-public-in-factcheck-row

Do you mean the op is a ‘bot’?

A GRC (which the majority of transwomen don't have) means hee haw. The problem isn't trans people, it's men in women's spaces regardless of how one identifies, and the dismantling of basic safeguarding that self ID brings.

I'm sure many trans people do just want to live their lives as quietly and authentically as possible, and they should, unfortunately that doesn't mean men get to go into women's spaces and sports. Once men as a collective stop committing 98% of sexual and violent assaults then that could be revisited.

The Tories however aren't the ones to champion this or women in general, but neither is 'some women have penises' Starmer. It's a bad time for women all round.

If that's your opinion then that fine.
As I've mentioned for me personally there is a logn list of things I feel are more urgent and more important than this issue.

Have you noticed this is in fact a thread about voting Tory? Other parties are available. In fact if accurate definition of woman in law and public life is your number one voting issue, you'd be better with reform than Tories 😂