For voting Tory

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I know what the Tories are and no, I don't like it. But I'm a woman, I have daughters and I come from generations of women who've been abused and dismissed because of their sex. I want better for my girls but I can't do it on my own. I need a government who will (at least give lip service to) supporting me. Am I a Tory? no. But the last thing women need is to be fighting their own government for basic recognition, so Tory it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/16/uk-culture-secretary-urges-ban-on-transgender-athletes-competing-in-female-only-events

I can’t respect anyone who votes Tory. They’re scum of the earth, don’t care about working class people and the certainly don’t care about women.

Interesting .. ’..scum of the earth’ - who else on Earth is in that category, for you? Started for 10. Where do rapists, murderers, paedophiles, wife beaters fit in on your scum scale?

@Underthinker I don't disagree on that.

That is absolutely fair enough.

I think my response is mostly to the posters who I think may, in fact, be TRAs, who are describing women's rights as 'culture wars'.

Neither party has been great on this issue but many forget that the laws that enabled all of this were introduced by the last Labour government and the Tories are marginally better on this now (which may well be because they see political gain from it rather than caring).

I think we will have Labour in government after the next election. I just hope that the fact that Wes Streeting has done a reverse ferret will be meaningful. Too many Labour MPs are still too anti women for my liking, Anneliese Dodds, Jacob Russel Moyle, Stella Creasy, Zarah Sultana, Nadia Whittome being examples and I still think that the way that Rosie Duffield was treated without apology is appalling, as have been comments from Lammy (women rights hoarding dinosaurs) and Nandy ( male paedophiles/ rapists who identify as trans should be in women's prisons) - as far as I know none of these statements have been retracted.

@TooBigForMyBoots exactly- it's not as if they have been doing amazing work in this field- all mouth but zero actual action

I can’t respect anyone who votes Tory. They’re scum of the earth, don’t care about working class people and the certainly don’t care about women

See, I don't think that thinking helps anyone.
I'm never voting Tory, but some just have conservative opinions and that's OK - it's when their views stray from just being opinions and try to force everyone into their conservative boxes and roles that I think there is an issue.
You should be free to be yourself.
Saying they're scum of the earth just polarises further.
Not all are

Yeah of course rapists, murderers, paedophiles, wife beaters, child abusers, animal abusers and other sick individuals are also scum of the earth.

But this thread is about voting the tories. Who also belong on “my scum scale”. 14 years of austerity. They are wank stains and have fucking ruined this country. Ruined it.

And the reasons they have been useless are in full flow today- talk about tinkering at the edges. Vast amounts of time on this Rwanda thing but makes no financial sense at all but they think appeals to the hard right voters- who ironically most of whom are daft enough to be voting Reform if X is anything to go by and fanning around with a smoking bill which was never going to pass muster with the libertarians in the party who don't want to stop smoking but are quite happy to leave the ECHR ( and I say this as someone who smokes)

BIossomtoes · Today 20:55
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It puzzles me that there are as many trans men as trans women but nobody’s noticed apparently. And nobody gives a shit about them. Strange.
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Underthinker
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Yes so strange...
Or it could just be because trans men don't belong to the sex that commit 98% of violent sex crime or dominate nearly every sport.

Strange. Not sure what these women’s rights people are going on about.

Agree OP.

I get that this has been a shit show but labour will be worse. Unfortunately there is not the money to pay for better services unless the economy improves and Angela Rayner seems to be doing everything possible to stifle business with whatever comes out of her gob (when she's not evading tax herself obvs).

Thing is, people think this is the worst it's going to get but sadly it could abd probably will slide a lot further.

@peacocksuite
I get that this has been a shit show but labour will be worse
but sadly it could abd probably will slide a lot further

In what way? I can't imagine they'll be worse than the shit we've had to put up with for the past few years

Kier Starmer, leader of the Labour Party, has stated that thousands of women (millions if we include women from around the world), have penises.

Now call me old fashioned (call me what you like), but

Either

he thinks women do have penises, hence he doesn’t recognise the female sex;

or

he knows women don’t have penises but he is just saying we do because well why I have no idea.

So either he doesn’t understand scientific fact, or he is a liar.

Which ever of the above is true (no folly-filled PhD required 🧐), it doesn’t bode well

AdamRyan · Today 20:52

Or: the law says that some people who were born male are legally women. Making him factually correct.

Hmm. Which of these 3 is true?

Noone is proposing repealing the GRA so he's going to continue to be factually correct no matter how often you post this.

It does not make sense. He knows it. Everyone knows it. Gender is a purely social construct and should not be part of a legal system. It will change. Biological sex either way, will become a protected characteristic under the EA.

Starmer stated women have penises. Women do not have penises. Males should not be in women’s spaces.

More to the point politicians should not be telling us that we have to accept them being so.

@peacocksuite@Lion400
Well we'll just have to agree to disagree then as I'm more bothered about how the Tories shit on women now as opposed to what you think Labour may or may not do if they get in.

@Whenwillitgetwarm and strangely the usual Tory apologists seem to have gone AWOL but lots of new names suddenly posting 'an awful lot' -strange eh

What they don't seem to get is that many of us have concerns about 'many' issues - this is but one. However I think they think it's the one that will get that female vote- despite having done sod all about it for 14 years.

So what do you plan to do about health care if Labour gets in?

The whole establishment is misogynistic twaddle I doubt either main party wants women or truly understands us. Labour is the lesser of the two evils as there are far more reasons to choose a political party than gender based policies alone.
There is only one way to best the system and that's be the system.

I do get irritated by this over-simplification. No-one insists men are women. They are essentially saying that transpeople can be treated as members of the sex they feel they should be.

Whether you agree with that or not, at this stage you cannot assume that, for instance, the NHS will continue prescribing puberty blockers after the Cass report. The fact that your friend's child is apparently being helped with what is on any interpretation a really complex issue is really none of your business and in no way prevents the government from doing something about crumbling schools and funding schools properly instead of directing billions of pounds in public money to their rich friends. In welfare terms, does it really not concern you that we are currently picking up the pieces of the appalling failure to provide adequate care and support for children with SEN and disabilities, to say nothing of disabled adults and the elderly? And that, of its nature, the worst effects of that inevitably fall on women?

a better NHS is no use to me if me or my mum are put on mixed sex wards

This makes no sense to me, as to me a better NHS is of every use to me if it means I can more easily get an appointment, have a bed in a hospital if I need one etc!

Same. It’s really not difficult to get

@Ddimlacio Womens rights isn't (or shouldn't be) a 'culture war issue'. That you dismiss it as such says everything about you.

@Allthegoodnamesaregone1 See this is where you're wrong and hence why you think it's so unimportant. It is NOT a 'trans debate'. It's a WOMENS HUMAN RIGHTS issue. And what issues can be more important than womens basic human rights?

@YouHaveAnArse If you honestly think womens basic human rights isn't a major issue, I feel sorry for you. It affects EVERY aspect of society for women. Working, participation in society, safety, sport, health care....

Exactly! It affects EVERY sector in society. How can people not see this?!??

Men are not 0.1% of the population. They're 50%.

And, for 0.1%, that community has an ENORMOUS amount of power. No other group managed to get women referred to on government forms as 'birthing person' or 'cervix haver' or 'menstruators'. Not even men. Nor did men or any other group get men infiltrating and colonising womens spaces, sports places, awards etc. This 0.1% (far, far, far higher than that if you look at the numbers of people claiming to be trans or non-binary) gets flung about a lot. The fact that is omitted, is just how much POWER that '0.1%' has. No other group had managed to create so much policy change until they came along.

@MrsMurphyIWish Why do you think it would make a different how many trans people we know? I am baffled by people posing this question, as if it means anything. We all know men. And it doesn't change our minds that men don't have any place in womens single sex spaces.

Do we need to personally know a child abuser/rapist/paedophile/burglar/financial scam artist/environmental scientist/engineer/teacher etc before we have an opinion on them, too?

@Itsokish Or, she could be like me: a rape survivor for whom single sex spaces are sacred and vital.

To not see how important this issue is, ironically shows that you're the one that leads a very comfortable life.