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Liz Truss - what's going on there?

213 replies

catPA · 16/04/2024 07:01

Just watched her recent interview with Chris Mason on Newscast. Something is most definitely 'off.' Not just what she says, but her hand and facial expressions are peculiar - as if she's possibly medicated or drunk? She is in total denial - no surprise there - but just so odd. It's actually quite disturbing to watch. AIBU?

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TorroFerney · 16/04/2024 11:36

Fizbosshoes · 16/04/2024 09:24

I have no more confidence in her than anyone else and am amazed she was elected as an MP let alone PM....but part of me sort of admires the brazenness to keep showing up. (And not apologise or accept any short-comings)

I do think it would be beyond embarrassing for her family though

I admire it to, well am more absolutely intrigued by it and want some of it.

Zilla1 · 16/04/2024 11:42

Perhaps her choice was to stay silent and leave the narrative to be perceived to be a most spectacular self-inflicted car crash or to say 'I was always right. The deep state frustrated me. OBR and the BoE need to be abolished. Tax cuts are the answer even though the UK would, in effect, be borrowing more to fund them and the UK's major problems for the last 14 years are under-investment and focusing the economy on enriching the wealthiest 1%. In effect, to sing to the cohort of MPs and Conservative Party members who supported her and to spice things up with Trump/MAGA-focused statements about the deep state and Trump that will make her US speaking tour fees and book sales increase astronomically.

Youzaname · 16/04/2024 11:43

You can watch the whole interview on iplayer. She really is quite an odd person. She certainly enjoyed talking about Taylor Swift there.

Medschoolmum · 16/04/2024 11:49

TorroFerney · 16/04/2024 11:36

I admire it to, well am more absolutely intrigued by it and want some of it.

A part of me is also intrigued by it. That anyone could possibly have so little humility or shame is strangely fascinating.

However, I also believe that she is like this because she is delusional. I think she has utterly lost her grip on reality. And I'm uncomfortable with the idea of us all watching her in this state as if it were some kind of spectator sport. It feels cruel.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 16/04/2024 11:50

I just keep remembering all the people suffering financially as a result of her ego and madness. She's hideous.

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 11:50

The narrative appears to be that we - the people - are just too stupid to appreciate her genius.

I really CBA, but maybe someone who can might confirm my suspicion that nestled in her prose is a hint that "some people" may need to be "re-educated" as to her obvious brilliance.

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 11:52

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 16/04/2024 11:50

I just keep remembering all the people suffering financially as a result of her ego and madness. She's hideous.

... and who will be paying for it for decades to come.

Some colleagues have "lost" tens of thousand of pound a year thanks to higher mortgages.

Zilla1 · 16/04/2024 11:56

Have just seen the final few minutes of a BBC Newscast interview if that's the one being discussed and her delivery is interesting. I'd be interested what she was doing for a few hours before the interview.

Medschoolmum · 16/04/2024 11:57

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 11:50

The narrative appears to be that we - the people - are just too stupid to appreciate her genius.

I really CBA, but maybe someone who can might confirm my suspicion that nestled in her prose is a hint that "some people" may need to be "re-educated" as to her obvious brilliance.

But I think she is genuinely delusional. I think she actually believes that she is some sort of genius that has been unjustly thwarted.

The woman is clearly unwell. She should never have been put in the position of PM in the first place, as she clearly wasn't suitable.

The people who suffered as a result of her catastrophic period as PM should not blame a woman who is showing clear signs of mental illness and has no grasp on reality. They should instead blame the Tory party members who put her in that position despite ample evidence that she was wholly unsuited for the role from the start.

Mayorq · 16/04/2024 11:58

The humiliation of her failings broke something in her. She's a deplorable cunt so couldn't accept that the failings might be her fault so has to invent deep state globalist boogeymen to blame and is now happy to take refuge in whatever racist crackpot conspiracy port will have her

Redpaisley · 16/04/2024 12:00

CantDealwithChristmas · 16/04/2024 08:05

They didn't want a Person of Colour to be PM. Simples.

But there were other candidates too apart from Liz and Rishi. Why Liz was the most popular with Tories despite other candidates?

TorroFerney · 16/04/2024 12:01

Medschoolmum · 16/04/2024 11:49

A part of me is also intrigued by it. That anyone could possibly have so little humility or shame is strangely fascinating.

However, I also believe that she is like this because she is delusional. I think she has utterly lost her grip on reality. And I'm uncomfortable with the idea of us all watching her in this state as if it were some kind of spectator sport. It feels cruel.

Yes I agree, you wonder who is behind her saying go on Liz you are right rather than do you think Liz you may need to rethink your career.

I'd like some of the confidence/ bounce backability (although who is to say she isn't a crying mess behind closed doors) but not if it means I am mentally ill or have a personality disorder.

I suppose though we are used to delusional male politicians Trump for example, is it more jarring because it's a woman and we (well some of us who are female) are relating to her as women.

CantDealwithChristmas · 16/04/2024 12:03

Redpaisley · 16/04/2024 12:00

But there were other candidates too apart from Liz and Rishi. Why Liz was the most popular with Tories despite other candidates?

Cos their grassroots still have a boner for Maggie T and thought Liz would be the new Maggie T

Kind of like some of the Labour grassroots have a hard-on for Lenin and thought Jezza Corbyn was Christ incarnate

Grassroots members are often nutty (Spekaing as a Labour member from 2000 - 2015) which is why it's ironic they get to decide leaders

Realistically speaking the Tory contest was between Rishi and Liz and I think the grassroots i the Shires freaked out at the thought of a Person of Colour being PM whilst also salivating at the idea of Maggie Mark 2 which is how she explicitly sold herself

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 12:04

But I think she is genuinely delusional. I think she actually believes that she is some sort of genius that has been unjustly thwarted.

I briefly saw a TL;DR headline (possibly MS Starts precis of a Telegraph article) where she opined that anyone who thought she crashed the economy either didn't understand economics, or was acting with "malevolent intent" (the Trumpian ring to that can fuel conspiracists everywhere ...).

She really would walk up a down escalator insisting it was going the wrong way as people passed her.

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 12:06

The people who suffered as a result of her catastrophic period as PM should not blame a woman who is showing clear signs of mental illness and has no grasp on reality. They should instead blame the Tory party members who put her in that position despite ample evidence that she was wholly unsuited for the role from the start.

There isn't any polling available to show that isn't the case ,,,

Zilla1 · 16/04/2024 12:07

I keep meaning to get hold of the Daily Mail front page before her mini- budget.

New Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng is set to serve up a tax cuts bonanza in this week’s mini Budget, and could fast-track 1p income tax reduction

Presumably Bonanza related to the American Western TV show, Bonanza, possibly an episode with a devastating attack on the mail/stagecoach, the Cartwright's homestead or cattle herd similar to the budget's catastrophic attack on the publics' finances and the public finances?

RhubarbAndGingerCheesecake · 16/04/2024 12:07

unfortunately the modern generation of politicians are poor - of all parties tbh

This and I worry too about the political journalist trying to convince me they are super smart.

Her and Boris have adversely affected my family and finances and both epitomise the lack of shame in public life these days.

Though Rishi isn't great either how he lost leadership to her and her cosplaying Thatcher to conversative members is just unbelievable.

Medschoolmum · 16/04/2024 12:08

TorroFerney · 16/04/2024 12:01

Yes I agree, you wonder who is behind her saying go on Liz you are right rather than do you think Liz you may need to rethink your career.

I'd like some of the confidence/ bounce backability (although who is to say she isn't a crying mess behind closed doors) but not if it means I am mentally ill or have a personality disorder.

I suppose though we are used to delusional male politicians Trump for example, is it more jarring because it's a woman and we (well some of us who are female) are relating to her as women.

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I think there is a huge difference between resilience and bouncing back after acknowledging your mistakes and learning from them, and simply refusing to accept that you ever made any mistakes in the first place.

The first type of person is admirable, I agree. We all make mistakes, and recognising where we have gone wrong/learning from it is a great way of moving forward.

Those who can't contemplate that they might have screwed up are not resilient at all. They are just deluding themselves and hiding from the reality.

BIossomtoes · 16/04/2024 12:08

Redpaisley · 16/04/2024 12:00

But there were other candidates too apart from Liz and Rishi. Why Liz was the most popular with Tories despite other candidates?

She wasn’t. Mordaunt was but the parliamentary party ensured that the membership couldn’t vote for her.

Medschoolmum · 16/04/2024 12:09

Medschoolmum · 16/04/2024 12:08

I think there is a huge difference between resilience and bouncing back after acknowledging your mistakes and learning from them, and simply refusing to accept that you ever made any mistakes in the first place.

The first type of person is admirable, I agree. We all make mistakes, and recognising where we have gone wrong/learning from it is a great way of moving forward.

Those who can't contemplate that they might have screwed up are not resilient at all. They are just deluding themselves and hiding from the reality.

And yes, Trump is of the same ilk. I don't think he is psychologically fit for public office either.

Medschoolmum · 16/04/2024 12:10

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 12:06

The people who suffered as a result of her catastrophic period as PM should not blame a woman who is showing clear signs of mental illness and has no grasp on reality. They should instead blame the Tory party members who put her in that position despite ample evidence that she was wholly unsuited for the role from the start.

There isn't any polling available to show that isn't the case ,,,

No, you're right. Hopefully, the public will blame the Tory party as a whole and not just one delusional woman.

Redpaisley · 16/04/2024 12:10

Havanananana · 16/04/2024 08:48

"I feel terribly sorry for her teenage children having to watch her publicly unravelling."

She was pro-European in the run-up to the Referendum, expressing concerns about the future that her daughters faced; “I don’t want my daughters to grow up in a world where they need a visa or permit to work in Europe; or where they are hampered from growing a business because of extortionate call costs and barriers to trade.”
“Every parent wants their children to grow up in a healthy environment with clean water, fresh air and thriving natural wonders. Being part of the EU helps protect these precious resources and spaces.”

How does she explain her post-Brexit stance to her daughters? How does she explain her journey from Socialist to extreme right-wing PopCon, via the LibDems and the One-Nation Conservatives?

How can someone expect be taken seriously when they change their views according to which way they think the wind is blowing? Or is it all just one big grift?

I hope her daughters are sensible but there is a chance they are okay with it as long as she takes care of their needs and wants. Look at Trump's children. They all support him because they benefit from him.

Dibilnik · 16/04/2024 12:12

TTPD · 16/04/2024 07:23

I've just seen a clip from that interview and she does genuinely seem a little bit drunk.

x.com/bbcpolitics/status/1779980028547121157?s=46&t=5Dtkn4wJVUEoODNwWvtUMQ

I don't think she seems drunk. I've worked with people like this and the best way to describe them is "delusionally self-confident." Drink has the same effect, but some people don't need alcohol to achieve this.

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 12:15

Medschoolmum · 16/04/2024 12:10

No, you're right. Hopefully, the public will blame the Tory party as a whole and not just one delusional woman.

Don't underestimate the power of the press to reframe history - like with Brexit, Liz Truss is being portrayed as something that "just happened" to the UK, like a flood or an earthquake (or covid so they can rinse us with stories of vaccine success) that the plucky little Tories have managed to deal with. Earning a nations eternal gratitude.

No need to mention quite how Liz Truss happened now, is there ? Oh look ! Angela Rayner.

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2024 12:19

Dibilnik · 16/04/2024 12:12

I don't think she seems drunk. I've worked with people like this and the best way to describe them is "delusionally self-confident." Drink has the same effect, but some people don't need alcohol to achieve this.

Personally anytime I have considered a medical reason for someone being a cunt, it's always been disproved.

That said - and for balance and fairness

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-brewery_syndrome

Auto-brewery syndrome - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-brewery_syndrome