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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not want to give up my day off?

729 replies

justbecool25 · 13/04/2024 22:43

I suspect I might be BU

I've been with my partner for 7 years and he has a 16 yo DS, we have a good relationship. When he was 13 he first attempted suicide and he's been struggling mentally since with many other attempts. He seemed to be doing well for a while but he's been struggling again recently. CAHMS are involved but can't do much.

His mum told partner she can't cope with him struggling and so he's been living with us full time for around a month. He has told DP he feels abit better as he has his own space (he was sharing a room at his mums) and our house is a lot quieter but a few nights ago he asked DP to stay with him as he was having suicidal thoughts. And since then DP has been staying with him every night and not letting him out of his sight.

He works from home usually but once a month he needs to go into the office, this is Monday. Stepson is off school currently due to his mental health and school are putting more pressure on him about exams which isn't helping him mentally. Professionals agree.

I've got a day off on Monday and had planned to meet with a friend for a coffee then look around shops but DP has now asked me to stay home with stepson to keep an eye on him.

I know I'm probably BU but I don't want to give my day off up. AIBU? I do love and care for stepson, I'm aware this thread may not seem like it.

OP posts:
Gowlett · 14/04/2024 13:34

Can your friend come to your house?

JFDIYOLO · 14/04/2024 13:34

His mother and father should be sorting this out first - he's not your responsibility.

Leaving him and going out as planned:

Good outcome - nice day off, boy ok.

Bad outcome - boy takes his own life because nobody was there for him.

It's a big pressure for you, to be on sole duty with a mentally distressed teen's safety - I take it you have no experience/qualifications in dealing with this sort of thing?

if no other option,

Invite the boy for coffee. Could be good for him, but you'll all know if that's the case or not.

Invite your friend to yours for coffee.

Have the day out another day when his parents can step up.

Crumpleton · 14/04/2024 13:34

bellezarara · 13/04/2024 22:53

YANBU. I think you will be expected to give up one or two days every week if you say yes.

DP should drop DS at his mum’s for the day.

Ignore the mumsnet martyrs, they think the only one responsible for step-children is the step-mum, not the actual mum or dad.

Edited

Agree...

Has Dss DM washed her hands on her DS all together?

She has said that she can't cope and Dss has asked if he can move in with you which you have accommodated.

Dss DM no longer has to cope and Dss has said himself he likes being at yours due to it being quieter and he has a bit of space.

After being so accommodating it would be nice if his DM could repay the your kindness and sit with him for the few hours so that you can meet up and spend time on your day off of work relaxing and having some time to do the things that you'd like to do, after all it's not over night just a few hours.

Didimum · 14/04/2024 13:34

bellezarara · 14/04/2024 13:27

But it’s the truth, he is going to football and leaving his son with OP.

If he had stopped going to football OP would have said so, but she hasn’t.

It’s odd that you keep telling me not to say this instead of just asking the OP when he last went to football.

The known truth ends at the partner going football and leaving the son at home with OP – you know no other truth beyond that.

The OP reports the acute problem to have occurred a few nights ago, so the football is irrelevant. If the football was relevant in a negative impact, the OP also could have mentioned it, which she hasn’t. So it is unknown and cannot be used support your agenda.

I have asked the OP to clarify various points that you and others are latching onto. And I will reply to whoever I wish, especially when you so aggressively use invented narrative to build a case without first knowing the facts.

bellezarara · 14/04/2024 13:37

StormingNorman · 14/04/2024 13:31

The emoji response was because you had said something breathtakingly stupid that words could not have done it justice.

You responded to the posters response to my post and ignored that bit while focusing on a totally irrelevant emoji. You didn’t say that sharing isn’t manipulation so I guess you felt it was ok for me to called a manipulator, but now the table has turned…

So let’s get this straight.

You said you hope I’m never a step-mum.

I said ‘Let’s hope you don’t subject step-mums in real life to your prejudices and projection.’

You then responded 🤣🤣🤣 because you think (quoting you) that what I said was ‘breathtakingly stupid’. Fine, that’s your prerogative.

BUT

You expect me to stand up in your defence with other posters and say your ‘sharing isn’t manipulation’?

Why are you holding me to a higher standard than one you hold for yourself?

BusyMummy001 · 14/04/2024 13:39

Appreciate you have plans and that this child is not your actual legal responsibility… but, really? You’d place a cup of coffee with a friend over a young person’s wellbeing? Couldn’t she come to your house instead? Or could you meet up for a coffee/glass of wine later in the day when DP gets home?

Wishlist99 · 14/04/2024 13:39

YABU as this is an acute problem and you’re needed to provide potentially life-saving care.

you also are entitled to maintain your friendships and support network and meet your friend.

I think either host your friend at your house (if this was my friend supervising a suicidal child I would drop everything to help and arrive with coffee and lunch) and/or your partner gives up a Saturday football for you to catch up with friends then.

coastalhawk · 14/04/2024 13:40

Understand your concern but also other POV. Can your friend come to yours for coffee if you explain?

bellezarara · 14/04/2024 13:41

Didimum · 14/04/2024 13:34

The known truth ends at the partner going football and leaving the son at home with OP – you know no other truth beyond that.

The OP reports the acute problem to have occurred a few nights ago, so the football is irrelevant. If the football was relevant in a negative impact, the OP also could have mentioned it, which she hasn’t. So it is unknown and cannot be used support your agenda.

I have asked the OP to clarify various points that you and others are latching onto. And I will reply to whoever I wish, especially when you so aggressively use invented narrative to build a case without first knowing the facts.

The OP talks about the football so it is definitely relevant, in that he has downtime, but is denying OP her own downtime. There is no invented narrative, it’s all there in black and white.

No one has said you can’t reply to whoever you wish, just that it’s odd that you keep telling me not to post my views but reserve the right to post yourself.

Pancakeorcrepe · 14/04/2024 13:43

Your partner needs to tell his work he cannot go in due to an unwell child. Or the child’s mother needs to look after him.
It is not up to you as the step-mother to take on such a massive responsibility.

Dartwarbler · 14/04/2024 13:44

For people saying , this is an emergency and they’d step in for any teen in this situation…from what OP has said this is not a one off. It is a chronic long term mental illness. This station is going to arise over and over again. The teen has already had his own mum abdicate responsibility and have dad ride in like the hero to “rescue” son form the mums “poor environment”, and then this same hero is expecting this convenient “surplus spouse” to pick up dealing with that situation.

i looked after my spouse, by choice, with mental illness for 20 years. It broke me as it does, if you read the statistics, in 50% of carer cases. Yep, 50% of people caring for someone with mental illness go on to develop mental health issues of their own.

dealing with someone with self harm or suicide ideation, or any other miriad of delusions or hallucinations or not like looking after scene with physical illness- and god know that is hard enough.

it already sounds like dad is on a road to mental health issues by agreeing to mum delegating parenteral duties, and believing sleeping in same room as his son is a long term success strategy. This is at best a very unwise strategy, and at worst will make dad ill, and divorced.

and the bottom line here is, neither parent has got far enough in pushing for mental health services. I know exactly how bad it is, before anyone lectures me. Exh with schizophrenia for 20 years taught me that. Care in the community is a fallacy. And crisis teams are a scarce resource. As for sectioning - stuff of unicorns. And if I hadn’t learnt enough from experience with exh, I now have a dad who’s ended up being sectioned due to dementia, and is still being dumped from one DOL unit under a 117 order to another. But, you have to fight . I sat in the head of mental health services office ant one point and refused to budge until a care plan was instigated thst actually met my exh needs . Sounds like parents are all too reliant on playing ping pong between themselves in trying to “fix” their son themselves and then giving up and passing the role like a baton when they exhaust themselves.

it is NOT sustainable they continue this way. Both parents need to be doing the carer role. They both need to be fighting in pursuing correctly support services. They should be working as a parenting team to ensure both get down time, and neither just dumps on other (as mum has) and then when that goes tits up starting to dump on the “surplus spouses “

I had to separate in the end from my exh and his illness to protect my own health and well-being. His illness changed the dynamics of our marriage. I did not love him as a husband, I was more like his mother, for years. I had all the appalling and selfish thoughts you get in that situation- resentment, loneliness, anger etc. To expect a step parent to be able to be more compassionate than that over years, for a child who is not biologically hers, and has a biologically father and mother, is naive and delusional.

Yes, all those that say they’d step in to do this for anyone. Sure, for one day and then you get to go home and distress, relax and have a goods night sleep. Or maybe you could manage a week knowing, at the end of that week you can get up and walk away. But this is 24/7 with no end. This teen has a chronic condition, that, with continuing lack of professional expert intervention, will probably, if anything, get worse before it gets better, you’re berating a women as a heartless bitch, by totally under-estimating what carers of mentally ill people go through.

Bigcat25 · 14/04/2024 13:46

Since your husband is the o e who's always home with hum and you can mostly come and go ad you please, yes yabu. Your partner needs help too so it isn't much to ask. Have your friend over for coffee or reschedule.

HolyZarquonsSingingSeals · 14/04/2024 13:52

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 14/04/2024 13:29

Going into the office is likely more important than drinking a coffee .

Why do people keep wittering on about coffee? It's not about the beverage, it's about having some time off and reconnecting with a friend, both of which are generally approved on Mumsnet.

fairymary87 · 14/04/2024 13:54

Wow you need to get your priorities straight. But at the same time you need support and help too. I think you do need a break from the situation as well. Living with someone suicidal is actually very mentally taxing and can affect your mental health too. ask his mum to help.

Didimum · 14/04/2024 13:59

bellezarara · 14/04/2024 13:41

The OP talks about the football so it is definitely relevant, in that he has downtime, but is denying OP her own downtime. There is no invented narrative, it’s all there in black and white.

No one has said you can’t reply to whoever you wish, just that it’s odd that you keep telling me not to post my views but reserve the right to post yourself.

The OP mentioned the football in response to another poster who accused her of not caring about her step son. It was her evidence of caring about her step son. You do not get to ascribe an added/different meaning to that to suit your own agenda. The OP has ample opportunity to express it herself.

I did not say anyone had told me I can’t respond. I am simply telling you I will respond, regardless of you finding it odd or not.

Hippomumma2 · 14/04/2024 14:01

Can you take him along with you? He might enjoy going for coffee with your friend and walking round the shops.

Anonymous2025 · 14/04/2024 14:04

You know you are being unfair . My friend recently got home to leaving her 15 year old in the same situation for 20 minutes for the school run to find her almost lifeless . Her daughter is in recovery but all she tells me is she can’t forgive herself . If your hubby was relying on you all the time I would say he would need to make new arrangements but it’s a one off he deserves support.

ssd · 14/04/2024 14:06

I'm amazed a grown adult even has to ask this question

CharlotteBog · 14/04/2024 14:06

or section him as they have no beds

So when a bed becomes available will he be detained under a Section?
Obviously this would be very difficult but if it's the safest place for him then it's the right thing. Does knowing this i.e. that the 24 watch won't go on indefinitely help you get through this period?

DemelzaandRoss · 14/04/2024 14:08

I find it extremely sad that you even have to ask if YABU.
Whether it’s your SS, friend, neighbour, if asked to help someone in such distress it’s the right & kind thing to do. So, it’s your day off. Hopefully your life will be long & happy. There will be other days off.
Unfortunately it’s not possible to teach empathy. Maybe just try & imagine how you would feel if roles were reversed.

Lucytheloose · 14/04/2024 14:14

@Dartwarbler's post is very wise. Be cautious about what you agree to take on. You cannot safely assume that there will be a swift end, or any end to the caring duties.

Nothinglefttosaynow · 14/04/2024 14:16

Can your friend come over for coffee instead? Then you're still around if SS needs/can pop in to check on him but you also still get to see your friend & catch up?

funinthesun19 · 14/04/2024 14:17

Have the day out another day when his parents can step up.

And next time there will no doubt be some other reason why the parents can’t look after their child. Her dp might get called in to work on that particular day or he might have man flu or something.

M1Holly · 14/04/2024 14:17

If it's just checking on him, could you ask your friend to come to you for coffee? I'm sure you'll have thought of it, really, but sometimes the obvious solutions pass us by!

If not, do we of you can get him to come out with you - maybe somewhere he could amuse himself for half an hour or an hour at a time, with you checking in on him? National trust property and he brings his Switch or something and sits under a tree?

As much as anything, getting out of the house can be helpful when you're feeling rubbish.

adviceneeded1990 · 14/04/2024 14:20

Dartwarbler · 14/04/2024 13:44

For people saying , this is an emergency and they’d step in for any teen in this situation…from what OP has said this is not a one off. It is a chronic long term mental illness. This station is going to arise over and over again. The teen has already had his own mum abdicate responsibility and have dad ride in like the hero to “rescue” son form the mums “poor environment”, and then this same hero is expecting this convenient “surplus spouse” to pick up dealing with that situation.

i looked after my spouse, by choice, with mental illness for 20 years. It broke me as it does, if you read the statistics, in 50% of carer cases. Yep, 50% of people caring for someone with mental illness go on to develop mental health issues of their own.

dealing with someone with self harm or suicide ideation, or any other miriad of delusions or hallucinations or not like looking after scene with physical illness- and god know that is hard enough.

it already sounds like dad is on a road to mental health issues by agreeing to mum delegating parenteral duties, and believing sleeping in same room as his son is a long term success strategy. This is at best a very unwise strategy, and at worst will make dad ill, and divorced.

and the bottom line here is, neither parent has got far enough in pushing for mental health services. I know exactly how bad it is, before anyone lectures me. Exh with schizophrenia for 20 years taught me that. Care in the community is a fallacy. And crisis teams are a scarce resource. As for sectioning - stuff of unicorns. And if I hadn’t learnt enough from experience with exh, I now have a dad who’s ended up being sectioned due to dementia, and is still being dumped from one DOL unit under a 117 order to another. But, you have to fight . I sat in the head of mental health services office ant one point and refused to budge until a care plan was instigated thst actually met my exh needs . Sounds like parents are all too reliant on playing ping pong between themselves in trying to “fix” their son themselves and then giving up and passing the role like a baton when they exhaust themselves.

it is NOT sustainable they continue this way. Both parents need to be doing the carer role. They both need to be fighting in pursuing correctly support services. They should be working as a parenting team to ensure both get down time, and neither just dumps on other (as mum has) and then when that goes tits up starting to dump on the “surplus spouses “

I had to separate in the end from my exh and his illness to protect my own health and well-being. His illness changed the dynamics of our marriage. I did not love him as a husband, I was more like his mother, for years. I had all the appalling and selfish thoughts you get in that situation- resentment, loneliness, anger etc. To expect a step parent to be able to be more compassionate than that over years, for a child who is not biologically hers, and has a biologically father and mother, is naive and delusional.

Yes, all those that say they’d step in to do this for anyone. Sure, for one day and then you get to go home and distress, relax and have a goods night sleep. Or maybe you could manage a week knowing, at the end of that week you can get up and walk away. But this is 24/7 with no end. This teen has a chronic condition, that, with continuing lack of professional expert intervention, will probably, if anything, get worse before it gets better, you’re berating a women as a heartless bitch, by totally under-estimating what carers of mentally ill people go through.

So sorry you have had to go through that. Carers fatigue and poor MH among unpaid carers is so common and trying to access help just now is a non-starter.

In an ideal world this boy would be accessing good mental health services, in patient treatment if necessary, etc. Sadly your post shows how unlikely this is to happen.

I was one of the people who said I’d step in for anyone in this situation and you’re right, of course it would be easy to do so once or on a short term basis. The OP however hasn’t said that she’s been asked to care for him alone for a significant amount of time or become the solitary caregiver. I do believe it sounds as though Dad is doing his best. No one is really unreasonable in this situation - the mental health system that leaves carers in this unsustainable situation is at fault.