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Honour-based crime up 62%

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Papyrophile · 10/04/2024 21:02

According to the Family Law Centre, honour-based crime in the UK went up 62% from 2020-2022. For explanation, honour-based crime and abuse mostly affects women from SE Asian or Middle Eastern backgrounds where the cultural traditions are very strongly patriarchal, arranged marriages are routine and women are regarded as less important/valuable than men.

As a feminist, this is extraordinarily distasteful to me but I am not affected at all by it. How do other people see the situation?

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jannier · 21/01/2025 23:15

User37482 · 21/01/2025 21:26

I agree that violence against women broadly is high and should be dealt with. I’m asian and the dynamic is different. Girls have been killed because they are suspected of having a boyfriend by their own fathers/brothers. That is not, I believe, a thing amongst white population.

The context is different and there is an underlying element of coercive control by weaponising male honour. It’s a specific crime with a specific “reason” and generally by specific groups. Doing this whole “oh all men are violent” thing hides the specific kind of violence perpetrated against specific groups for specific reasons. We should be curious about that as a society.

I personally see it as a betrayal of ethnic minority women living in Britain who should expect to have the same rights as white women when people try to fudge what happens to them within the “all men are violent”. Same as with the children groomed by gangs, trying to fudge it never benefits victims, it only benefits perpetrators.

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Well put.

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Papyrophile · 22/01/2025 10:19

@User37482 That has been my understanding of "honour" crime too, but it is very helpful to have it acknowledged by a poster who has seen the practice at work within their community.

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Almahart · 22/01/2025 11:08

Nantescalling · 21/01/2025 08:06

Can't find it! Could you add the link please?

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www.channel4.com/programmes/the-push-murder-on-the-cliff. Here you go

Nantescalling · 28/01/2025 15:56

Almahart · 22/01/2025 11:08

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That link won't go through but this does

It's absolutely horrendous particularly earinghis Dad saying they were very very happy!

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Nantescalling · 28/01/2025 16:02

Notagoodenoughreason5 · 21/01/2025 19:53

Permafrosty

A true Muslim would not be depraved as it goes against theor religion.

Me wanting to know why men are so disgusting was not meant as a deflection, rather a musing. The men that committed these atrocities against those poor victims are not Muslim. They are using it to hide behind that faith. I don't give an ish if they pray to Allah or read the Qu'ran(sp). They are not legitimate followers of the Muslim faith!

These verses not instructive?

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Naddd · 28/01/2025 16:10

I agree the term honour based needs to be changed.
There is no honour in these crimes.
I wonder whether it has actually increased or that women and girls now thankfully are able to access help.

EasternStandard · 28/01/2025 20:44

The term needs to reflect the cultural background

I prefer it as it is as it makes it clear why these men are committing these crimes

Nantescalling · 29/01/2025 11:25

EasternStandard · 28/01/2025 20:44

The term needs to reflect the cultural background

I prefer it as it is as it makes it clear why these men are committing these crimes

I agree. I don't think any of these murderers would have hurt a fly except that their whole family egged them on. This goes way beyond perceived adultery. It can be dowry related, gender related, faith related.

JustAskingThisQ · 29/01/2025 12:14

One time in school, my white British friend's dad found out that she had been sexually active with some boys. He came to the school and assaulted her, took her home and assaulted her again and then emotionally neglected her until she left home. Was that honour violence?

It was based on the idea that she had shamed him and their family by being promiscuous.

iwishihadaname · 29/01/2025 12:21

RedHelenB · 11/04/2024 07:18

I wonder how many men get killed for dishonouring their family?

My daughters friend was killed in a so called honour killing not his family but the girl’s family he was 18 or 19

Nantescalling · 29/01/2025 18:08

iwishihadaname · 29/01/2025 12:21

My daughters friend was killed in a so called honour killing not his family but the girl’s family he was 18 or 19

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https://theconversation.com/the-forgotten-male-victims-of-honour-based-violence-96041

Words · 29/01/2025 19:17

There's a reason why 'honour crime' is placed in inverted commas, or called ' so--called honour crime'

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