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DD angry at mature student for inappropriate email

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KeepCalmPlease · 09/04/2024 23:11

NC just in case.
Daughter is angry this eve as a mature student on her course has mistakenly replied all to the class, instead of just her lecturer. In the email, apparently they brag about finishing their assigned work early, and then flirt about a shared hobby with lecturer. Daughter wants to bring this up formally with the institution along with other friends of hers. I haven't seen the email so I'm not sure what "flirting" is but I suspect the mature student, being older, just shares a hobby with lecturer (and likes being teachers pet).
My advice to her is just ignore the mistake, keep your head down and make sure your own work is done. AIBU?

I'm not sure why DD is so exasperated by this. I'm sure many emails fly about all day in academia.

OP posts:
Viksono · 10/04/2024 18:27

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 18:09

That is not true. Of course they’re paid back.

The majority are not paid back in full.

willWillSmithsmith · 10/04/2024 18:31

Medschoolmum · 10/04/2024 18:10

Well, thank goodness she has dropped the idea. She'd have made herself look a total twat if she had attempted to raise the issue "formally".

If the tone of the email was inappropriate, that was for the lecturer to address. Not your dd's issue.

Is she usually a bit of a busybody that pokes her nose in where it isn't needed, or is there something else going on here that might be cause for concern? I think the vast majority of students in that situation would just snigger, maybe cringe a bit on behalf of the mature student and then forget about it. I wonder why her reaction was so extreme, and whether it could be a sign that she is struggling with other things?

I think ‘busybody’ is a very apt word.

OP, it’s one thing getting involved when it’s a safeguarding issue but I don’t think it would be good for your dd to make a habit of going down the busybody route. Next thing she’s knows she’s the work jobsworth and no one wants one of those.

missshilling · 10/04/2024 18:34

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 18:09

That is not true. Of course they’re paid back.

“While most borrowers will repay at least some of their loan, the income contingent nature of the loans means only 27% of full-time undergraduate higher education borrowers starting a course in 2022/23 are expected to repay their loan in full.“

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/student-loan-forecasts-for-england

Student loan forecasts for England, Financial year 2022-23

<p>This statistics publication provides forecasts for higher education and further education student loans in England. These include forecasts of student numbers, student loan outlay and student loan repayments. Only income-contingent student loans iss...

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/student-loan-forecasts-for-england

Topseyt123 · 10/04/2024 18:47

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 18:09

That is not true. Of course they’re paid back.

I hate to disappoint you but no, they are not paid back. Very few student loans are repaid. Sometimes a smidge is shaved off here and there, but virtually no student loans are ever paid back.

The capital is hardly ever eroded.

Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 18:53

Your DD needs to grow up and realise she is an adult now. Crikey, how will she cope in the real world. Agree with a PP when they said would come across as a bit of a tit is she complained.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 10/04/2024 18:55

When I was a student in medieval times, one of the lecturers started a relationship with a mature student of 35 on our course, eventually getting married. Other than being very happy for them, no one gave a shit.

Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 18:56

ElaineMBenes · 10/04/2024 13:12

Personally I don't agree with mature students taking Uni places from 18 year olds. There are plenty of other ways to study when you are older.

What a ridiculous comment!
Firstly, there are more than enough places to go around.
Secondly, university isn't just for 18 year olds. It never has been and nor should it be!

Totally agree with you. When I finish work I plan on gaining a degree funded by a student loan. Education is not just for the youngsters!

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:00

Viksono · 10/04/2024 18:27

The majority are not paid back in full.

Source?

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:01

Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 18:56

Totally agree with you. When I finish work I plan on gaining a degree funded by a student loan. Education is not just for the youngsters!

When you finish work? As in after retirement? Don’t expect full maintenance loan and how are you paying it back?

Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 19:04

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:01

When you finish work? As in after retirement? Don’t expect full maintenance loan and how are you paying it back?

Yes and I do plan on retiring at 50, won’t need a maintenance loan and don’t expect I will ever work again to pay back the tuition fee!

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:04

missshilling · 10/04/2024 18:34

“While most borrowers will repay at least some of their loan, the income contingent nature of the loans means only 27% of full-time undergraduate higher education borrowers starting a course in 2022/23 are expected to repay their loan in full.“

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/student-loan-forecasts-for-england

need more context than that. Not paying it back in full doesn’t mean they haven’t paid a significant chunk bank. Also degrees tend to lead to higher rates of employment, tax paid etc.

The older generations are also more likely to complete degrees in areas of shortfall, teaching, nursing etc so the benefit of them completing the job and working in that field far outweighs not paying loan back in full - also note that nurses earn less than the threshold to pay back which is pretty gross in its own right.

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:05

Topseyt123 · 10/04/2024 18:47

I hate to disappoint you but no, they are not paid back. Very few student loans are repaid. Sometimes a smidge is shaved off here and there, but virtually no student loans are ever paid back.

The capital is hardly ever eroded.

Now that I do want sourced. Happy to accept that a decent chunk don’t pay it back in full but hardly ever seems unlikely.

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:06

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Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 19:06

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We are taking this down as it is not in the spirit of the site.

oakleaffy · 10/04/2024 19:16

MariaLuna · 09/04/2024 23:41

and likes being teachers pet

Goodness, did they not graduate from Primary School?!

“Teacher’s pet”?
That’s so deeply immature to call anyone “Teacher’s pet” - like farcically so.

The mature student is probably keen, closer to the lecturer in age and heck, wanting to “ Report “is just nuts.

The student or lecturer have done nothing wrong.

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:17

This reply has been deleted

We are taking this down as it is not in the spirit of the site.

Oh well at least I know you have a crappy pension.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 10/04/2024 19:20

Student loans were a ridiculous idea, they're an extra tax on the poor (the richest students stick them in high interest accounts & their parents pay their debts)

That's not really true. The poor and 'disadvantaged' often get grants and bursaries which can see their whole course paid for, so they start off better off than many students from middle class backgrounds. Only the very rich will end up with no student debt at all thanks to Mummy and Daddy. Most moderately well off parents will supplement their childrens' loans to pay their rent or whatever, but still expect them to take the loans on and to pay them back.

It's the squeezed middle who really suffer. Parents not poor enough for the student to get any extra help beyond the basic level of loans, parents still expected to stump up extra to help with accommodation costs, but not rich enough for that to not hurt, and not rich enough to pay down their child's debt for them at some point in the future either.

willWillSmithsmith · 10/04/2024 19:23

This thread is going off topic. I thought I’d mistakenly stumbled into a student loan thread?

Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 19:23

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:17

Oh well at least I know you have a crappy pension.

How and why do I have an crappy pension? Explain please.

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:27

Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 19:23

How and why do I have an crappy pension? Explain please.

Because if you don’t then you’re paying it back. Better start researching eh.

Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 19:33

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:27

Because if you don’t then you’re paying it back. Better start researching eh.

Ummm, still don’t understand why I have a crappy pension, expand please. Thank you for your advice to research, my financial affairs are in good order thanks and very healthy. Looking forward to going to uni!

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:37

Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 19:33

Ummm, still don’t understand why I have a crappy pension, expand please. Thank you for your advice to research, my financial affairs are in good order thanks and very healthy. Looking forward to going to uni!

Because if it was a healthy pension you would know that you will be paying the loan back into retirement and beyond. How are you planning on living? Self assessments etc count toward repayment. Unless you’re planning on retiring and living off less than the threshold (crappy pension) for the rest of your life you’re paying it back.

ColleenDonaghy · 10/04/2024 19:39

oakleaffy · 10/04/2024 19:16

“Teacher’s pet”?
That’s so deeply immature to call anyone “Teacher’s pet” - like farcically so.

The mature student is probably keen, closer to the lecturer in age and heck, wanting to “ Report “is just nuts.

The student or lecturer have done nothing wrong.

Edited

If the student did send a flirty email to their lecturer then they have done something wrong, that's completely inappropriate. Nothing to do with OP's DD and something I'm sure the lecturer can shut down, but still very much not ok.

Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 19:40

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:37

Because if it was a healthy pension you would know that you will be paying the loan back into retirement and beyond. How are you planning on living? Self assessments etc count toward repayment. Unless you’re planning on retiring and living off less than the threshold (crappy pension) for the rest of your life you’re paying it back.

Don’t worry yourself with my financial situation. I will be just fine and will be having a great time.

Otherstories2002 · 10/04/2024 19:43

Rainraindontgoaway · 10/04/2024 19:40

Don’t worry yourself with my financial situation. I will be just fine and will be having a great time.

One of four things is true.

Your pension is crap.
You live off someone else.
You will be paying it back.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.

What you are not doing is retiring with a good pension and not paying a loan back.