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Neither parent wants to live with their child fulltime what happens?

433 replies

WhatWillHappenToTheDC · 08/04/2024 17:21

It’s a relatives child.

The DC is 10. Has lived with the RP, their mother alone since they were 2. Seeing NRP Father for 2 nights EOWend and half the school holidays.

NRP agreed to have DC over Easter Holidays fulltime so RP could have some work done on the house.

RP has now said they do not want DC home and want to trial a switch of residency for awhile or wants to do 50/50 arrangement. NRP also does not want DC fulltime and wants to go back to previous arrangement.

Social Services are involved now due to the arguments and DCs school reporting it, but what will happen if neither parent wants to live with their child full time? Is there some sort of foster care where parents can still see DC?

I can't put myself forward to have the child as I live too far from them. Parents live around 7 miles from each other.

OP posts:
DoreenonTill8 · 08/04/2024 21:12

@OneHeartySnail it's (well for me) the fact she's saying 'I don't want to if he doesnt' there's fuck all about significant stress or violence, just that she's doesnt want to be the RP anymore!

OneHeartySnail · 08/04/2024 21:14

DoreenonTill8 · 08/04/2024 21:12

@OneHeartySnail it's (well for me) the fact she's saying 'I don't want to if he doesnt' there's fuck all about significant stress or violence, just that she's doesnt want to be the RP anymore!

Well, no-one seems to be criticising the father for his attitude. But criticising the mother for not sucking it up.

DoreenonTill8 · 08/04/2024 21:15

Oh I really need to step away... 😳😳

Isitautumnyet23 · 08/04/2024 21:16

I have no advice, just feel heartbroken for that poor child. I have DC around that age and couldn’t possibly love them anymore. Nothing would ever stop me or my DH wanting to be with them all the time.

I hope for the sake of the child this is just a particularly difficult time for one or both parents and things will change.

Unfairworld · 08/04/2024 21:16

Poor poor poor kid. Horrifying!

Poor RP. She must be utterly desperate to do this. I’m not sure I could bring myself to inflict this on my child though I see she must be struggling.

NRP has to stand up and do more than 2/14 days FFS. 2/14 is really inadequate imho. Why can’t the NRP do 50/50 like other divorced people do?!

TheAlchemistElixa · 08/04/2024 21:16

Tandora · 08/04/2024 20:12

oh ok thanks for putting us all straight . I’ll remember this next time I’m totally burnt out and ready to demand my reluctant DP take the kids off my hands for a while so I can work/ do life admin/ clean/ tidy/ cook/ rest.
Instead of asking for a desperately needed break, I’ll remind myself I’m a shitty parent and a despicable person and attempt to soldier on…

PS OP clarified the communication about this between the parents was over email and not in front of kid.

Edited

That is not what that poster you’re replying to was saying and you know it. Your example is not the same at all, and I doubt you ever threaten to put your child into foster care so that you can do life admin and clean and tidy. But if you DO, then yes, that would make you a shitty parent too.

oakleaffy · 08/04/2024 21:18

BathroomReDesign · 08/04/2024 20:51

Dad is a dick and a Disney dad who doesn’t want any responsibility. The child will know when they grow up that dad didn’t want to see them more than twice a month. Dad could do 2 days a week and that would help. The mum is doing something drastic and I applaud her for doing so to call him out

At the cost of the poor child.
The child is a pawn ♟ in the “adults “ game.
Only the child suffers from this utter selfishness on “parents “ part.

reelcat · 08/04/2024 21:18

The poor, poor child. Both parents should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. The child will be well aware and this will damage them forever. This disgusts me on so many levels. The mother is just as bad as the dad. As a relative I would be trying to talk some sense into the mother or only having contact with the child in future.

TheWonderhorse · 08/04/2024 21:20

OneHeartySnail · 08/04/2024 21:10

The criticism of the mother - who has apparently been taking the bulk of the parenting - is quite appalling on a website supposed to support mothers.

The acceptance that fathers are often sh*t as parents, so women should suck it up?

Really? If she has reached her limit and is trying to make the father be as responsible as she has had to be?

Poor child. But he is being let down by his father. If his father has opted out, why attack his mother?

The child wants to go home with his mother, and she's refusing to take him. She dropped him off under the pretense of collecting him after the holidays and she's lied to him. Because she doesn't want him, she wants more "fun".

Nope.

oakleaffy · 08/04/2024 21:22

OneHeartySnail · 08/04/2024 21:11

It seems accepted here that women should just accept men being crap fathers

Yes, and the courts won’t insist either on a dad having enforced contact.

It’s not fair on kid.

The buck stops with the mother, like it or not.

That’s life, unfortunately.

LondonFox · 08/04/2024 21:23

WhatWillHappenToTheDC · 08/04/2024 17:24

@KoolKookaburra Mum thinks there should be more contact between the child and father and feels like she does everything for said child while father gets all the fun so she either wants a switch for awhile or 50/50 so it's more fair.

Dad wants to keep the status qo and stick with previous arrangement of Every Other Weekend for 2 nights.

I'm with mum.
Fuck that Disney Dad shit.
If he wants so little of contact it can also be during work week.
Let him run morning school runs and pick ups, worry about lunch/pe kit/ uniform/crafts etc.

She obviously cannot get normal arrangement with dad so is going via court.
I seriously doubt she would put child in FC but needs court to step in and tell useless ex to step up.
Child will have more fun time during weekends with mum who obviously is far more invested in their life. Not to mention mum can have better career and provide not revolving it around school runs.
Good for her.

whynotwhatknot · 08/04/2024 21:25

courts cant force anyone to see dc more often just doesnt work like that

he souns shit but nothing anyone can do

awaynboilyurheid · 08/04/2024 21:27

We are not attacking the mother but she cannot force a relationship between this man and his son even if he is a rubbish Disney dad , forcing him on his dad when he doesn’t want him just means only the child will/ is suffer here , poor wee soul. She is his mum and needs to think of him first and foremost.

Willyoujustbequiet · 08/04/2024 21:28

LenaLamont · 08/04/2024 17:49

The poor mother, the poor lad.

She's done every bit of the hard work until the child is 11. She just wants the father to step up so she can see her child rather than burning through money on childcare and being exhausted. That seems entirely reasonable.

He's a slacker taking the piss. Happy to leave all the heavy lifting to the child's monther and not accept that she needs things to change, both financially and in terms of energy.

I hope the son isn't aware of any of this, the poor soul.

This

Yet again another feckless deadbeat father prioritising himself and hurting others in the process.

Thegoodbadandugly · 08/04/2024 21:36

Poor child, what on earth is wrong with every other weekend? At least the mother gets a full weekend to herself every other weekend.

oakleaffy · 08/04/2024 21:37

Thegoodbadandugly · 08/04/2024 21:36

Poor child, what on earth is wrong with every other weekend? At least the mother gets a full weekend to herself every other weekend.

A lot more than many mothers get!

A whole weekend to herself, rather than just a couple hours every few weeks when the dad feels like it.

theeyeofdoe · 08/04/2024 21:42

PhoenixReincarnated · 08/04/2024 17:36

I can understand why RP wants NRP to have DC more but I don't think she's going the right way about it. Having said that I don't know how she could change the status quo without the NRP agreeing to step up. It seems wrong that one parent can refuse to do their share of the parenting. I don't know what the answer is but the child shouldn't suffer.

A friend of mine had to do this. Father refused to pay any maintenance (company direct type scenario) she couldn’t afford to have the children and pay childcare. So dropped them off with dad and refused to have them back until he agreed to pay maintenance.

it worked, but I’m not sure the children ever quite forgave her. But, she didn’t have any option. She would have lost the house and they would have ended up at dad’s anyway.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 08/04/2024 21:43

awaynboilyurheid · 08/04/2024 21:27

We are not attacking the mother but she cannot force a relationship between this man and his son even if he is a rubbish Disney dad , forcing him on his dad when he doesn’t want him just means only the child will/ is suffer here , poor wee soul. She is his mum and needs to think of him first and foremost.

Totally agree. Both parents are being absolutely shitty here. The fact that the child is being failed by a useless father does not in any way make it ok for his mother to put him through this to prove a point.

Anxiouslump · 08/04/2024 21:46

All these posters saying “it’s not fair that dads get a pass on being crap parents” - absolutely 100% agree. It isn’t fair.
BUT, would you be willing to make your child the collateral damage in order to prove this point?
Would you really?

Papyrophile · 08/04/2024 21:48

When does someone say straight out, loud and upfront, you two people conceived a child, together, and the child is Your responsibility jointly? I get fun sex (1950s born, 1970s teen, had tons of casual encounters) but even then we had reliable contraception. There really is NO Excuse. Having a child is serious. It is, should be, a 20 year commitment, and when neither parent is up for the long haul then the pregnancy should have been ended. IMO.

AFAIK and see, it tends to be women who end up with coping with their (Much loved) children, trying to bring the DC up well with limited paternal support. And it is okay until the young male child hits puberty. At which point that lad needs a (good) dad model. If bio-dad is long gone/reluctant, then big problem. Where does that lad see his mum respected and treated well? How does that young man learn to treat the women in his life pleasantly? To court them, and support them. And ultimately to commit to making a life together?

I don't believe in God or gods or Mohammud or any other religious construction anyone can cobble tother: they are all superstition. How do you make people responsible for their choices: answers on postcards please.

oakleaffy · 08/04/2024 21:49

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/04/2024 17:27

Poor little scrap. I remember years ago hearing the headteacher or whatever they call him at Eton saying that just like other schools they also have some parents who really let their children down. His example was a child whose parents both refused to have him for the holidays, so the lad was driven up and down the motorway by each parent in turn while they argued about where he was to go. I don't imagine that's an experience that ever leaves you.

That's absolutely horrific.

A wonderful woman I know was a Nanny and said the children of wealthy parents could really be deeply selfish when it came to the child/ren , and boarding schools and Nannies in the holidays were considered ''normal''

Even on Family holidays Nanny would come along.

bluebellsInWinter · 08/04/2024 21:53

One very important question:

Does the child know neither parent wants them?

Pretz123 · 08/04/2024 21:59

Wow. That poor child to have both parents thinking like that. My heart goes out to the child who will bear the effects of this forever.

Sasqwatch · 08/04/2024 22:00

Is there some sort of foster care where parents can still see DC?

Surely you can’t be serious OP?

DoreenonTill8 · 08/04/2024 22:02

Pretz123 · 08/04/2024 21:59

Wow. That poor child to have both parents thinking like that. My heart goes out to the child who will bear the effects of this forever.

Oh apparently its all being a big secret, so when neither parent turns up to collect from school or responds to any call so they end up in Foster care that's how the kid will know.. I mean come on, expecting parents to parent and care?.. how unfair for them!

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