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Neither parent wants to live with their child fulltime what happens?

433 replies

WhatWillHappenToTheDC · 08/04/2024 17:21

It’s a relatives child.

The DC is 10. Has lived with the RP, their mother alone since they were 2. Seeing NRP Father for 2 nights EOWend and half the school holidays.

NRP agreed to have DC over Easter Holidays fulltime so RP could have some work done on the house.

RP has now said they do not want DC home and want to trial a switch of residency for awhile or wants to do 50/50 arrangement. NRP also does not want DC fulltime and wants to go back to previous arrangement.

Social Services are involved now due to the arguments and DCs school reporting it, but what will happen if neither parent wants to live with their child full time? Is there some sort of foster care where parents can still see DC?

I can't put myself forward to have the child as I live too far from them. Parents live around 7 miles from each other.

OP posts:
GRex · 09/04/2024 18:33

The child is not going to just shrug it off and say, oh well, mum has built up lots of credit in the parenting account over the last ten years
This makes me choke with sorrow for the poor kid. Just looking at my 6yo, the thought of him for even a second thinking we don't want him is horrendous. It's just awful.

AnotherEmma · 09/04/2024 18:37

The mother is being completely unreasonable to punish her child for having a useless father.

Clearly the father is most at fault in all this but sadly there is no way of forcing him to step up.

Why on earth did the mother do all the running around while the child was staying with his father? She needs to put boundaries in place and stop martyring herself. But ultimately she needs to focus on what's best for her child and that is living with her, obviously.

Is the existing contact arrangement court ordered or was it agreed informally?

They need to do mediation if they haven't yet.

Medschoolmum · 09/04/2024 18:40

GRex · 09/04/2024 18:33

The child is not going to just shrug it off and say, oh well, mum has built up lots of credit in the parenting account over the last ten years
This makes me choke with sorrow for the poor kid. Just looking at my 6yo, the thought of him for even a second thinking we don't want him is horrendous. It's just awful.

It's unfathomable, isn't it? I can't imagine how any parent thinks that this is reasonable simply because they want to make a point.

Tandora · 09/04/2024 21:54

Medschoolmum · 09/04/2024 18:29

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the mother wanting to share caring responsibilities with the father. Nobody is saying that, so please stop twisting the narrative to suggest that this is what people are suggesting.

The issue is that neither parent wants to take responsibility for the child, and in the mother's attempt to make the father step up and take and do his fair share, she is making the child feel unwanted, to the extent that the school has had to make a referral to Social Services.

The fact that mum has spent the last decade caring for the child doesn't mean that it's going to make the rejection any less painful for the poor kid now that she can no longer be arsed. The child is not going to just shrug it off and say, oh well, mum has built up lots of credit in the parenting account over the last ten years, it's fair enough if she has had enough now and no longer wants to contribute.

This is not about what's fair between the parents. It is about the wellbeing of the child.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the mother wanting to share caring responsibilities with the father

then why is everyone saying mum is a disgrace?

The issue is that neither parent wants to take responsibility for the child, and in the mother's attempt to make the father step up and take and do his fair share, she is making the child feel unwanted

you’ve entirely made this all up as far as I can tell. Yes there was a referral to social services, but OP hasn’t clarified exactly why.
OP has said mum is asking for 50/50. OP has said that arguments over this are (as far as she is aware) over email and not in front of child.

Aswellisnotoneword · 10/04/2024 00:20

@Tandora read the OP again. The mother has literally refused to pick the kid up and bring them home, saying it's the father's turn to do fulltime care.

Medschoolmum · 10/04/2024 07:47

Tandora · 09/04/2024 21:54

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the mother wanting to share caring responsibilities with the father

then why is everyone saying mum is a disgrace?

The issue is that neither parent wants to take responsibility for the child, and in the mother's attempt to make the father step up and take and do his fair share, she is making the child feel unwanted

you’ve entirely made this all up as far as I can tell. Yes there was a referral to social services, but OP hasn’t clarified exactly why.
OP has said mum is asking for 50/50. OP has said that arguments over this are (as far as she is aware) over email and not in front of child.

People are saying that the mother is a disgrace because she is allowing her very reasonable desire to share caring responsibilities to impact on the wellbeing of the child, which is not acceptable.

The OP said that Social Services are involved "because of the arguments" and because of a referral from the child's school. Schools do not make referrals to Social Services, and Social Services do not get involved, when a child's parents are simply exchanging emails about contact arrangements.

The OP has also stated very clearly that neither parent wants to live with the child full time and, as a concerned relative, she is now asking questions about foster care.

Perhaps you don't find any of the above at all concerning and the Social Services involvement/relatives discussing foster care options is all part of your "normal". However, for many people, those aspects of what the OP has shared are massive red flags that indicate that neither parent is prioritising the wellbeing of the child here.

Personally, I think it's incredibly naive to assume that a 10yo child won't have picked up on any of what's going on in this situation. They will almost certainly be aware of at least some of it, and that's heartbreaking. But even if we set that aside and assume that the child is blissfully unaware of any of what has gone on, what kind of parent would want their child to spend half of every week living with someone who has made it abundantly clear that they really don't want them? I couldn't do that to my child, could you?

Asking the child's father to step up and do his fair share is fine. Allowing the child to suffer the consequences when the father fails to do so is not. And that is why people are saying that the mother is a disgrace.

The father is a disgrace too, of course. That goes without saying. But two wrongs don't make a right, and ultimately, in this situation, both parents are failing an innocent child. You can defend that all you like. I think it's abhorrent.

Skyisbluegrassisgreen · 10/04/2024 07:51

KoolKookaburra · 09/04/2024 04:04

And? I had assumed it must be something extreme. It's not though.

A 10 year old on drugs?!!

Confrontayshunme · 10/04/2024 07:51

We had a child in our school with this. The parents couldn't agree and both refused to act in the child's best interests. They ended up in care until one parent cracked and took pity on them. Bit by that time, both parents were required to do ExTENSIVE hoop jumping to get child back - paperwork, meetings constantly, parenting courses, etc. It was so sad, because essentially mum wanted dad to either have child more or pay more (totally reasonable) but he said no.

KoolKookaburra · 10/04/2024 07:53

Skyisbluegrassisgreen · 10/04/2024 07:51

A 10 year old on drugs?!!

Yes. Like I said it has to be something extreme for parents not to want to have the kid

Medschoolmum · 10/04/2024 08:00

Confrontayshunme · 10/04/2024 07:51

We had a child in our school with this. The parents couldn't agree and both refused to act in the child's best interests. They ended up in care until one parent cracked and took pity on them. Bit by that time, both parents were required to do ExTENSIVE hoop jumping to get child back - paperwork, meetings constantly, parenting courses, etc. It was so sad, because essentially mum wanted dad to either have child more or pay more (totally reasonable) but he said no.

Poor kid.

Totally reasonable for the mum to want the dad to do more or pay more, but utterly unreasonable to let it go to the point where the child ends up in care. Shame on both of the parents in this situation.

WoodBurningStov · 10/04/2024 08:29

If either parent refuses to, for example pick up the child from school then SS may class it as abandonment and they could be prosecuted by the police.

It's unlikely but a possibility. It's likely that SS will place the child in emergency foster care whilst they discuss with friends and family the possibility of the child living with someone else and the parents have access.

If that's not possible then the child will be placed in a foster home and SS will agree with the parents a visitation schedule but everything will go via SS, a care order will be put in place etc. it's going to get very messy, with various reports on the family on record with a child who's done nothing wrong and likely have trauma as a resukt.

SideEyeSally · 10/04/2024 09:00

I think the question to be asked here when we say that the mother isn't wrong to want him to step up, or pay more, but it wrong in her approach is what is her alternative. The answer is nothing, she has to just suck it up and that is wrong. There should be avenues available to RPs to force the genuine, at least financial, support of children by NPRs including childcare costs. The current option is make yourself and martyr or damage your children and become an unforgivable villain.

Unfairworld · 10/04/2024 10:25

SideEyeSally · 10/04/2024 09:00

I think the question to be asked here when we say that the mother isn't wrong to want him to step up, or pay more, but it wrong in her approach is what is her alternative. The answer is nothing, she has to just suck it up and that is wrong. There should be avenues available to RPs to force the genuine, at least financial, support of children by NPRs including childcare costs. The current option is make yourself and martyr or damage your children and become an unforgivable villain.

THIS

CrispieCake · 10/04/2024 10:32

SideEyeSally · 10/04/2024 09:00

I think the question to be asked here when we say that the mother isn't wrong to want him to step up, or pay more, but it wrong in her approach is what is her alternative. The answer is nothing, she has to just suck it up and that is wrong. There should be avenues available to RPs to force the genuine, at least financial, support of children by NPRs including childcare costs. The current option is make yourself and martyr or damage your children and become an unforgivable villain.

I agree. I think there's a lot to be said for making parents who opt out of 50/50 care when the other parent wants this liable to pay the market rate for childcare for 50% of the child's time (or less if they have the child sometimes).

Supersimkin2 · 10/04/2024 10:47

In some of Europe, you can’t opt out of 50:50 child raising - eg Denmark. They don’t let you. The default is equal care.

Everyone’s better off.

CrispieCake · 10/04/2024 10:55

Supersimkin2 · 10/04/2024 10:47

In some of Europe, you can’t opt out of 50:50 child raising - eg Denmark. They don’t let you. The default is equal care.

Everyone’s better off.

I didn't think you could really opt out of child-raising here either. Isn't it a sort of "who gets in first" scenario?

It's not neglect to leave your children with their other parent, so really you just need to be the one who walks out first.

Iwasafool · 10/04/2024 12:42

Supersimkin2 · 10/04/2024 10:47

In some of Europe, you can’t opt out of 50:50 child raising - eg Denmark. They don’t let you. The default is equal care.

Everyone’s better off.

Is it enforced if the child is unhappy? When I got divorced we agreed the kids could come and go as they wanted, I had to see a judge in chambers as he insisted this wouldn't work, I insisted it would and said if we were forced to agree to a timetable we wouldn't follow it if it wasn't what the children wanted and I felt uncomfortable lying about that. He accepted it but warned me it wouldn't work. It did. We didn't agree on much but we absolutely agreed that what the children wanted was the most important thing.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 10/04/2024 18:20

I think we have to question our system. Currently men can walk away, get away with minimal care, or do some care but not share 50% of the burden. This means that everyone else often else picks up the bill. Single mums can’t work or have to do less hours, the benefits system picks up the bill and their pensions suffer. Men then go on the next woman and do it all again. Women have no option but men can get away with this. Everyone just accepts this as normal. It shouldn’t be normal.

Unfairworld · 10/04/2024 18:52

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 10/04/2024 18:20

I think we have to question our system. Currently men can walk away, get away with minimal care, or do some care but not share 50% of the burden. This means that everyone else often else picks up the bill. Single mums can’t work or have to do less hours, the benefits system picks up the bill and their pensions suffer. Men then go on the next woman and do it all again. Women have no option but men can get away with this. Everyone just accepts this as normal. It shouldn’t be normal.

This.

Unfairworld · 10/04/2024 18:53

Supersimkin2 · 10/04/2024 10:47

In some of Europe, you can’t opt out of 50:50 child raising - eg Denmark. They don’t let you. The default is equal care.

Everyone’s better off.

How does this work in practice @Supersimkin2 ?

TheAlchemistElixa · 10/04/2024 23:57

KickHimInTheCrotch · 08/04/2024 19:33

I believe these conversations happen more often than you might think. I've often wondered what exDP would do if I just decided I couldn't do it any more. I think he would step up and take the DC in no questions asked but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want to do it long term. Solo parenting without any real help is a long slog day in day out. Who doesn't daydream of taking a break from it for a bit?

You daydream about handing your child over to social services to be put into foster care, so that you can “take a break from it for a bit”?

wow.

oakleaffy · 11/04/2024 00:12

Beezknees · 09/04/2024 13:50

Exactly. As a lone parent myself, I can't force my ex to be a good father, as disappointing and annoying as it is. What IS in my control is to make sure that DS has at least one good parent and not 2 shit ones. And at least I can look at my ex and know that I have done my best and HE is the one that should be ashamed of himself.

Absolutely and 100% this.

Make no mistake, the child, as an adult will also realise this.

Well done to the mothers who carry on without abandoning their child/ren.

Yes, it’s hard , especially in teen years,but no court in the land will enforce a dad to see their child more.

It’s painful for the child most of all.

oakleaffy · 11/04/2024 00:20

Princesscounsuelabananahammock · 09/04/2024 14:55

Again for the people in the back... nobody is absolving dad of his responsibility. It isn't a competition of who is the shittier. The fact is that whoever is right or wrong there's a kid in the middle of this who's probably going to grow up so fucking angry and disillusioned with the world that they can't function. As a parent you sometimes just have to grow up, stop point scoring and get the hell on with it otherwise a screwed up child is the consequence

👏 Well said.
The child is the loser here, and it could possibly have serious repercussions when he’s older if he feels unwanted by his parents.

CrispieCake · 11/04/2024 06:33

TheAlchemistElixa · 10/04/2024 23:57

You daydream about handing your child over to social services to be put into foster care, so that you can “take a break from it for a bit”?

wow.

I don't understand the outrage. These are totally normal feelings.

And yet this mother gets up every day, plants a smile on her face and gets on with doing what needs to be done.

Why shouldn't she daydream about not having others to look after and being able to be selfish and concentrate on herself for a bit?

Or is she required not only to sacrifice through her actions, but also be a martyr in her thoughts as well?

TheAlchemistElixa · 11/04/2024 07:35

CrispieCake · 11/04/2024 06:33

I don't understand the outrage. These are totally normal feelings.

And yet this mother gets up every day, plants a smile on her face and gets on with doing what needs to be done.

Why shouldn't she daydream about not having others to look after and being able to be selfish and concentrate on herself for a bit?

Or is she required not only to sacrifice through her actions, but also be a martyr in her thoughts as well?

I might daydream about having a day off work while my child is at nursery. I might daydream about my child’s dad taking them out all day so I can sleep in bed, or winning the lottery so I can afford a lovely nanny to wake up with my child in the mornings. But all those things are things that my child would also love, enjoy, and still feel safe and secure and loved.

none of them involve GIVING MY CHILD AWAY TO A FOSTER FAMILY

What on earth are you on? I’m staggered that you’re so blasé about what the OP is describing.

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