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DH pressuring me to find a job

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Macadamiamama · 07/04/2024 09:30

Need some context otherwise I’ll definitely be unreasonable.
DH is a well paid lawyer in London, whatever that means nowadays.
I’m not from the UK, I went to uni and started working in my country but since moving here I only ever did a few jobs here and there and stopped since having babies.
I have been supported by my DH for about 9 years now and he’s probably had enough of that. I need to add: he works long hours, is often very stressed. He doesn’t have much time for the kids, he helps with bath when he’s home otherwise it’s only me. I understand.
Now our youngest is about to go to reception in September and my time is ticking as he wants me to start contributing financially. I don’t feel able to find a good job in the hours I have or skills. I worked from home last year and it was a disaster I had to quit as I had no time to do anything around the house and the kids.
We have no luxuries apart from not checking prices at the supermarket. We never go on holiday. We own a flat and would like to buy a house soon.
The idea of work is nice but I feel stressed as I think I already do so much, I also wouldn’t get much money so it’s not very appealing. I have my ambitions, just don’t feel it’s worth at the moment when we have no debt and live a reasonably comfortable life.
He won’t change anything in his life when I start double shifting (work+kids) apparently I’ll have so much free time I won’t know what to with myself!
He mentions jobs in retail, waitress, receptionist. No disrespect for people doing that but he’ll go out the house in his suit and tie and I’d be going out in a uniform.
I’m not saying he needs to support me forever but I don’t feel confident enough to get a job atm. He won’t pay for further education either as that’d be taking money from the kids. Am I being too superior?

OP posts:
SouthLondonMum22 · 10/04/2024 23:07

aloris · 10/04/2024 21:19

Yeah "looking after the kids" and "sat back on her bum" are incompatible. Pick one or the other. I hate how women throw other women under the bus like this. A man spends his effort on his own career, wellbeing, future, using his financial power over his wife to make her into nothing but his fulltime nanny/housekeeper, and then turns around and complains that he's fed up with her because she didn't manage to advance her career while he was sucking every drop of lifeblood out of her.

Lets not pretend that SAHM’s are generally forced into it though. They want to be SAHM’s and want to take the risk of 9+ years (or however many years) outside of the workplace.

I don’t agree with OP’s DH thinking that OP should work and also continue to do everything at home but it also isn’t his fault that OP wanted to be a SAHM either.

bellezarara · 10/04/2024 23:17

SouthLondonMum22 · 10/04/2024 23:07

Lets not pretend that SAHM’s are generally forced into it though. They want to be SAHM’s and want to take the risk of 9+ years (or however many years) outside of the workplace.

I don’t agree with OP’s DH thinking that OP should work and also continue to do everything at home but it also isn’t his fault that OP wanted to be a SAHM either.

Really, you don’t think he’s at fault at all? The man who has stipulated to his wife that if she works outside of the home she will still be responsible for all the housework? You don’t see how OP may have thought about the stress of it and decided to stay as she is?

SAHMs don’t make the choice to be a SAHM in isolation.

Couples will often compare the cost of childcare and the woman’s income if she is the lower earner and decide to sacrifice the woman’s career progression and pension.

Just look at the threads where women say it’s barely worth working because ‘their salary just goes on childcare’.

WinterDeWinter · 10/04/2024 23:51

SouthLondonMum22 · 10/04/2024 23:07

Lets not pretend that SAHM’s are generally forced into it though. They want to be SAHM’s and want to take the risk of 9+ years (or however many years) outside of the workplace.

I don’t agree with OP’s DH thinking that OP should work and also continue to do everything at home but it also isn’t his fault that OP wanted to be a SAHM either.

Most women are not on the right Mumsnet boards at this critical point and did not understand what the price to pay for being out of the workplace was until it was too late.

Canthave2manycats · 11/04/2024 00:17

bellezarara · 10/04/2024 23:17

Really, you don’t think he’s at fault at all? The man who has stipulated to his wife that if she works outside of the home she will still be responsible for all the housework? You don’t see how OP may have thought about the stress of it and decided to stay as she is?

SAHMs don’t make the choice to be a SAHM in isolation.

Couples will often compare the cost of childcare and the woman’s income if she is the lower earner and decide to sacrifice the woman’s career progression and pension.

Just look at the threads where women say it’s barely worth working because ‘their salary just goes on childcare’.

Edited

I've been there - where so much of my salary went on childcare (in theory; we split the bills proportionately) that it was barely worth my while working. I chose to continue to work FT, and now that I am contemplating retirement in some form, I am so glad I did!

SouthLondonMum22 · 11/04/2024 11:39

WinterDeWinter · 10/04/2024 23:51

Most women are not on the right Mumsnet boards at this critical point and did not understand what the price to pay for being out of the workplace was until it was too late.

It is something that should definitely be considered more long term rather than short term.

Women need to take some responsibility though. Not all of it because I agree with pp that the decision isn’t made in isolation but women are far from helpless and unable to think about long term issues.

WinterDeWinter · 11/04/2024 12:55

SouthLondonMum22 · 11/04/2024 11:39

It is something that should definitely be considered more long term rather than short term.

Women need to take some responsibility though. Not all of it because I agree with pp that the decision isn’t made in isolation but women are far from helpless and unable to think about long term issues.

Edited

It's a reasonable decision - the alternative for many women is working double shifts (work and domestic) while the man 'helps' occasionally and grows his career.

And as we see on here so often the false financial formula is that childcare costs come out of the woman's salary - though why the fuck since they are shared costs - and therefore 'it doesn't make sense the woman working for £100 a week.'

That sleight of hand, which works in men's favour overall ofc, is a really good example of misogyny which is just 'the air that we breathe' and actually really hard to see at all when you're in the thick of it.

Samlewis96 · 12/04/2024 12:09

bellezarara · 10/04/2024 23:17

Really, you don’t think he’s at fault at all? The man who has stipulated to his wife that if she works outside of the home she will still be responsible for all the housework? You don’t see how OP may have thought about the stress of it and decided to stay as she is?

SAHMs don’t make the choice to be a SAHM in isolation.

Couples will often compare the cost of childcare and the woman’s income if she is the lower earner and decide to sacrifice the woman’s career progression and pension.

Just look at the threads where women say it’s barely worth working because ‘their salary just goes on childcare’.

Edited

Some SAHMs do make the choice in isolation though. I've known a few people over the years agreed they would go back to work after mat leave yet then decide they don't want to. And therefore the " joint" decision that was made was changed by one person. Who then expects the other to support her.

Which I feel is bang out of order and the man is shoved into a corner. Either financially support her( often needing to work extra hours to do so )or leave her and pay up and not see his kids much

Medschoolmum · 12/04/2024 13:10

I think a lot hinges on who is driving the decision for one partner to become a SAHP, who primarily benefits from that etc.

In some cases, it will genuinely be a joint decision that benefits the family as a whole. For example, if one partner has limited skills/qualifications and very low earning potential, then the overall household income might be lower if they have to pay out for childcare costs than it would be if that lower earner became a SAHP. Similarly, if the couple have dc with disabilities or significant additional needs, the couple might conclude that it isn't feasible for both of them to hold down a regular job, so one parent might agree to sacrifice their career for the sake of the family as a whole. And in some cases, it may just be a lifestyle preference shared by both partners who decide that they are happier to live on a lower income because this enables them to simplify their lives, reduce workloads etc.

In other cases, the decision to have a SAHP is driven primarily by one person, typically the SAHP, and the set-up is accepted (or in some cases, just about tolerated!) by the WOHP, rather than being actively wanted or needed. I know quite a lot of families like this, but I don't know any where the decision to have a SAHP has been driven primarily by the WOHP.

I must say the majority of WOHPs that I know would prefer not to be the sole breadwinner and to carry the huge pressure that that brings. For all that it might be mildly appealing to have all of the domestic chores taken care of for you, most people don't live in mansions these days and there is only so much housework that actually needs to be done, so sharing it between two WOHPs isn't really that big a deal. And even less so with all of the modern technology that is available, not to mention the ease of getting a cleaner in for a couple of hours each week if you feel the need. Also, contrary to what some might think, I find that most people - men and women- do actually want to be involved in raising their kids, rather than outsourcing it all to their spouse/partner. As the main breadwinner in our family, I'd have really hated DH to be a SAHP. We did it for a short while after moving house, and while he certainly worked hard to make things "fair", we both recognised that he had the much easier the if the of the deal. Thankfully, he hated it as much as I did because he missed the social interaction of work, and the intellectual stimulation, so that phase didn't last!!

I guess what I'm saying, ultimately, is that what's fair in terms of a SAHP returning to work depends partly on how the decision for them to stop work was arrived at in the first place. If it was genuinely a mutual decision, then I agree that there needs to be mutual agreement and negotiation about the timescales and manner in which the SAHP should return. If the decision was driven primarily by the SAHP, with the WOHP having agreed to facilitate the SAHP's choices but not actively wanting the arrangement, then I think it's totally fair enough for the WOHP to say that they don't want to facilitate that set-up any more.

And of course, the WOHP cannot expect the SAHP to return to FT work and carry on doing all of the domestic stuff. That would clearly be unfair. However, there might be some circumstances in which a SAHP returns to work on a very PT basis, with the kids in school all day, leaving them plenty of time still in the working day to carry on doing most of the domestic stuff. Context is everything here, but as a general rule, I think it's reasonable to expect that both partners should have a comparable amount of leisure time.

WiseKhakiGoose · 09/05/2024 01:14

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/04/2024 09:45

Did you read the OP? Where does he say she’s got to earn £70k? He’s suggested low stress low skill jobs she can do to build up her confidence and skills.

"He’s suggested low stress low skill jobs" - since when jobs in retail, waitress or receptionist are low stress jobs? 🤣🤣🤣

Jobs in retail or restaurants require a person to be physically fit, because it's all day running around. Second is a lot of stress, one crazy client every day is a lot to handle! And trust me, there will always be that one person a day.

The receptionist job is nearly the same - a lot to handle emotionally because people tend to be more rude over the phone than in person. Also, it depends where you work, a lot of work places require the receptionists to stand 8-10hr a day, they can't sit on the chair. I'm not sure why so many places require it, but that's how it is.

LBFseBrom · 10/11/2024 16:07

I do think it is time to find a job, op, and to set your sights a little lower. It won't be forever, you can find something more in keeping with your education later on, When kids are small people do all sorts of jobs and sometimes they are very satisfying, plus you meet new people and expand your view of life. Have a good look around and see what is on offer. It would be nice to have some money that is yours too, don't forget that.

Good luck.

LBFseBrom · 10/11/2024 19:09

WiseKhakiGoose · 09/05/2024 01:14

"He’s suggested low stress low skill jobs" - since when jobs in retail, waitress or receptionist are low stress jobs? 🤣🤣🤣

Jobs in retail or restaurants require a person to be physically fit, because it's all day running around. Second is a lot of stress, one crazy client every day is a lot to handle! And trust me, there will always be that one person a day.

The receptionist job is nearly the same - a lot to handle emotionally because people tend to be more rude over the phone than in person. Also, it depends where you work, a lot of work places require the receptionists to stand 8-10hr a day, they can't sit on the chair. I'm not sure why so many places require it, but that's how it is.

I agree, any public-facing job can be extremely stressful. People take their frustrations out on you. Some reception jobs are quite skilled to, require training.

However I doubt the op's husband meant anything derogatory, he just doesn't know.

I think finding a job with hours that fit in with school is what the op is looking for.

Cyb3rg4l · 13/11/2024 23:40

Macadamiamama · 07/04/2024 09:30

Need some context otherwise I’ll definitely be unreasonable.
DH is a well paid lawyer in London, whatever that means nowadays.
I’m not from the UK, I went to uni and started working in my country but since moving here I only ever did a few jobs here and there and stopped since having babies.
I have been supported by my DH for about 9 years now and he’s probably had enough of that. I need to add: he works long hours, is often very stressed. He doesn’t have much time for the kids, he helps with bath when he’s home otherwise it’s only me. I understand.
Now our youngest is about to go to reception in September and my time is ticking as he wants me to start contributing financially. I don’t feel able to find a good job in the hours I have or skills. I worked from home last year and it was a disaster I had to quit as I had no time to do anything around the house and the kids.
We have no luxuries apart from not checking prices at the supermarket. We never go on holiday. We own a flat and would like to buy a house soon.
The idea of work is nice but I feel stressed as I think I already do so much, I also wouldn’t get much money so it’s not very appealing. I have my ambitions, just don’t feel it’s worth at the moment when we have no debt and live a reasonably comfortable life.
He won’t change anything in his life when I start double shifting (work+kids) apparently I’ll have so much free time I won’t know what to with myself!
He mentions jobs in retail, waitress, receptionist. No disrespect for people doing that but he’ll go out the house in his suit and tie and I’d be going out in a uniform.
I’m not saying he needs to support me forever but I don’t feel confident enough to get a job atm. He won’t pay for further education either as that’d be taking money from the kids. Am I being too superior?

London is expensive. Children are expensive. Buying houses is expensive. Education is expensive. Being the sole earner in a household is a huge amount of pressure and being financially dependent on someone else is never a good idea. You’ve been out of the workforce for 9 years, fairytale job is not just going to pop up begging you to come and work for them. You need to get back in the habit of working and start small to get more recent work experience. There is nothing wrong with wearing a uniform to work and you are not in competition with your husband in any event. You are a team working towards shared goals. Both children are now in school - time for phase 2 of your adventure together!

user1467300911 · 14/11/2024 01:26

He won’t pay for further education either as that’d be taking money from the kids.

Hang on, so he won’t share the chores or childcare, and he won’t invest in your future (although it would likely help your kids more in the medium term)?

What’s your marriage like OP?

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 14/11/2024 09:49

You asked if you're being too superior, and the answer is yes.

What's wrong with wearing a uniform?

Him wearing a suit has no bearing on you. You are your own individual and as it is, with no self esteem.
Having a job will give you some power back and jobs lead to other jobs.

A year or two from starting, you could have had promotions or changed jobs.
Where you start is just that, a starting point.

Having pride in your job would be best and a good lesson for your kids.
If you're that embarrassed, then change into your uniform at work.

Don't sit at home complaining but not doing anything about it. It's not up to your husband, you can make changes if you really want to.

If you'd started after you posted, you'd have half a year of experience under your belt by now.

Macadamiamama · 22/11/2024 21:35

Turns out I got a uniform job and I love what I do now. Thanks for everyone’s contributions to my thoughts. It really meant a lot to my decision. I simply had to make the decision to slowly detach from the status my husband has and understand that’s not not me. Despite my love for him I love me more and I can’t live my life being forever his employee. More to come in the next chapter ❤️

OP posts:
Codlingmoths · 22/11/2024 21:47

Well done on thinking this over op. Now you have a job make sure you don’t burn out doing everything at home too, he needs to do some!

smithsinarazz · 22/11/2024 21:58

Just on the point of fitting work round school... It's actually easier than you might think. My current job was advertised as 37hrs. I asked for (and got) 30 hrs. I do 6 hours a day, so I work when DS is at school.
This is actually rather less likely, I think, with something like waitressing where there are shifts to fill.
I wonder if you might be a bit low on confidence? Since you like the idea of working but resist actually doing it. And I can really understand how, if you've been out of the loop for a bit, it might seem a bit daunting.
I can only second @CozyWinterDuvet's advice on what to do about it.

Macadamiamama · 22/11/2024 22:15

Oh you guys❤️it’s really been a life changing journey into myself last time I posted here. Tough one but definitely what I needed to hear. I need to update you on what’s developed since then but feel like the thread should go to a different topic instead of AIBU. Despite that I’ll see if I can stay on this one as some of you at least have the history. Buckle up it’s gonna be a bumpy one…

OP posts:
Comtesse · 22/11/2024 23:58

Blimey, sounds intense - maybe report your original post and ask to move to Relationships?

Mumofoneandone · 23/11/2024 08:19

Thank you for coming back and updating us.....look forward to hearing more as and when you feel ready! ❣️

Wigtopia · 23/11/2024 08:23

Well done OP! This thread is almost full anyways so maybe start a new thread and add the link to this one to direct us over x

NamechangeRugby · 23/11/2024 08:42

Well done Op 💪! That is awesome. Good for you and looking forward to update.

neverbeenskiing · 23/11/2024 08:55

PrincessHoneysuckle · 07/04/2024 09:33

T.A in a school? You don't always need qualifications and it would work around your kids

I sincerely wish people would stop suggesting this EVERY time a SAHM posts that they don't really want to work but are having to reluctantly consider because of circumstance, or because their DH has insisted.

Our TA's are skilled professionals who work with our most complex and vulnerable children. They are expected to deliver evidence based interventions including SEMH sessions for kids with Trauma and Attachment needs, run social communication groups, deliver 1:1 Speech and language support, gross motor skills support and direct support to kids with conplex medical needs, as well as academic interventions.

TA's also need the right temperament to be effective. They need to be nurturing but firm and consistent. They need to be highly resilient, adaptable, calm in a crisis, excellent communicators and able to work on their own initiative in an unpredictable environment.

Maybe OP does possess all these qualities but there's nothing to suggest that this is the case and its a bit frustrating (and insulting to my TA colleagues) when it's framed as something anyone can have a crack at.

Crikeyalmighty · 23/11/2024 09:01

@neverbeenskiing I totally agree - having run a business and also in the past worked in HR and office management I actually think if I gave up my business I would both enjoy being a TA and be pretty good at it. I hate it being suggested as some kind of 'fill in' job for people who haven't worked for years or have no skills - really annoys me!!

trekking1 · 23/11/2024 14:53

Macadamiamama · 22/11/2024 22:15

Oh you guys❤️it’s really been a life changing journey into myself last time I posted here. Tough one but definitely what I needed to hear. I need to update you on what’s developed since then but feel like the thread should go to a different topic instead of AIBU. Despite that I’ll see if I can stay on this one as some of you at least have the history. Buckle up it’s gonna be a bumpy one…

I remember this thread I am perched to hear if the husband is participating in childcare and housework now that you have a job.

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