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Partner knocking a drink over trying to tell my 3 year old off at restaurant give you the ick?

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koolpop · 03/04/2024 22:46

My three year old was calmly eating his food and standing up on his seat and waving at the other toddler behind him. He was in the booth in between me and my older daughter. He wasn't making a mess, a fuss or annoying the family behind us. They weren't bothered at all and their little girl who looked ages with him were waving back and forth. (I'm very sure she goes to his nursery but it's always a child minder who collects this girl so I have no idea who mum or dad are)

He kept going sit down. Sit down and then put his hand across the table to sit him down spilling my drink all over my son's plate and all over my coat and the table. And was like "aww fuck sake" like it was our fault? I just pretended I didn't even see it happen and kept eating. There's no reason to have done it in the first place.

I haven't felt attraction towards him since. Why would you possibly do that. He was bothering no one. It didn't seem like an out of control kids or I had co control over him and just let him run wild. He was eating standing up waving. Sitting down eating standing up waving etc.

He is just my boyfriend of a year. He isn't the kids dad etc. for context

OP posts:
RedLeicesterRedLeicester · 04/04/2024 20:19

All the people who say a three year old is misbehaving standing up, between family members, in a booth… YABU

I honestly think you have different kinds of kids. Some are more compliant / physically able to sit than others. Some are stuck to screens every time they’re at the table.
If you had my two sons you’d change your mind about this

bogbabe · 04/04/2024 20:25

Yabu.
BF was parenting your kid. After a year this shouldn't be an issue

Zanatdy · 04/04/2024 20:27

koolpop · 04/04/2024 12:25

I presumed mums net was a nice safe place to post and get advice from other mums with more experience than myself. This has not been the experience on this forum anyway it's been bashing and just exaggerating and pressuring the worst

Calling me lazy parent, bad parent, jermeny Kyle stuff. It's wild the exaggeration is beyond belief. And all over a 3 year old standing in a booth waving at another toddler he has been laughing and giggling with whilst getting food. No other families were bothered and if they were lighten up 😂 two kiddies having a giggle shouldn't ruin your meal.

The madness on this post is crazy.

Maybe all of you are terrible mums bashing someone this harshly, projection maybe (you all see the presumption and exaggeration I did there in an uno reverse to you all?)

There has been a few nice replies which has been nice. And if you are so bothered about a child standing for a few seconds. There's a nice way to say. Like personally I wouldn't, maybe you should consider. Not bashing and calling me a terrible parent over something so incredibly minor 😂

Then saying he's an abuser over it is also wild.

That’s how MN has become now. Every single post on AIBU is posters making their own version of the story up to fit their narrative or putting the poster down and making them feel like shit. It’s a real shame actually as most people who post on here now say the same as you, they aren’t going to post again, and who can blame them. A 3yr old standing on a chair to wave to a friend for a few seconds doesn’t constitute poor behaviour. It’s a family restaurant and most people who go there expect kids to, well kids. Your boyfriend sounds like an idiot though, get rid!

koolpop · 04/04/2024 20:35

@Acheyelbows yes this is exactly how I feel. He's way too strict. If they are just giggling and playing he will give them this stare as in to stop it and I always say stop it they are kids giggling? And he's always like your neighbours and I'll reply so fuck? If they can't deal with children giggling they should maybe go live in the woods.

He's way too much that way. I've said it to him when his mum keeps saying we should have a baby together, instantly I went we see punishment so incredibly different it would never work.

OP posts:
koolpop · 04/04/2024 20:37

@Mumtobabyhavoc I have said before you aren't at the stage of being able to tell them off. This is the first time he's done it in ages in a situation I think was unnecessary

OP posts:
Toenailz · 04/04/2024 20:37

Zanatdy · 04/04/2024 20:27

That’s how MN has become now. Every single post on AIBU is posters making their own version of the story up to fit their narrative or putting the poster down and making them feel like shit. It’s a real shame actually as most people who post on here now say the same as you, they aren’t going to post again, and who can blame them. A 3yr old standing on a chair to wave to a friend for a few seconds doesn’t constitute poor behaviour. It’s a family restaurant and most people who go there expect kids to, well kids. Your boyfriend sounds like an idiot though, get rid!

A bus is family friendly too.

No one wants people or children to have their feet all over the seats (in fact it's not allowed), and they're not even sitting there to eat.

Safety aside of a moving bus, if the bus was completely stationary with engine off, it's still absolutely not OK.

Family friendly doesn't equal not respecting other peoples property, and respecting those around you. Family friendly doesn't mean no one else who doesn't have kids can't or shouldn't use those facilities.

Why does it need taught to adults that nobody should be putting their feet or dirty shoes all over seating? Goodness.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 04/04/2024 20:38

koolpop · 04/04/2024 20:35

@Acheyelbows yes this is exactly how I feel. He's way too strict. If they are just giggling and playing he will give them this stare as in to stop it and I always say stop it they are kids giggling? And he's always like your neighbours and I'll reply so fuck? If they can't deal with children giggling they should maybe go live in the woods.

He's way too much that way. I've said it to him when his mum keeps saying we should have a baby together, instantly I went we see punishment so incredibly different it would never work.

You are answering your own question, then. At the very least you are not suitable for one another. Just move on and put your dc first and parent how you see fit. ❤️

IronNeonClasp · 04/04/2024 20:39

Toenailz · 04/04/2024 20:05

I think you're inconsistent as fuck, and it's causing your kids, and other adults in your life, problems.

You say you told your child to sit down several times. Then when you realised he was interacting with another child, ignored the behaviour and let him do it. To your little one , (and your OH) - it's very much 'if I do it enough times, mummy will give up and I can do it anyway'.

Your OH saw you give up/change your mind on teaching your son to sit in his chair, likely assumed you were giving in/fed up, and intervened because your son wasn't behaving appropriately, nor listening, and to everyone else at that point, you gave up parenting for a moment.

Boundaries and rules should be consistent so that the child understands them - otherwise the child learns to try the behaviour because they haven't learned from you whether it's actually ok or not. They don't have the cognitive ability yet to suss out its ok 'because it's a booth chair and he knows the other child'. That isn't really fair to the child to be honest, it's confusing! Nor will your partner know where the boundary lies, and that's because of you and your inconsistency in parenting. I also think it's a daft reason to make an exception to the rule that seems to make sense mainly to you, that it was a booth chair and the people in the next seating had a child, that may or may not know yours.

It's also really rude to let children stand/climb on furniture. Child friendly or not, kids shouldn't be climbing up on chairs to be bothering the people in the next booth. You likely don't care, but it does make you look rude, and your OH was reacting to this as much as he was to your child. I wouldn't want a child in the next booth standing up to interact with us as we're trying to eat a meal. Hello's and interactions are fine, in an appropriate manner - ie. on the ground, when you're not in the middle of eating in a public restaurant.

If you're with a man, who has met and is going for meals out with your kids, I assume it's because you are serious about him, in which case, one day you will be close enough that he can be involved in parenting. It's fine that today wasn't that day.

That being said, if I was him I'd run a mile. People who let their kids put their feet/stand all over seating where people sit to eat, and bother people in booths nearby, appear utterly embarrassing and disrespectful IMO - I'd be put off by this kind of thing, as much as you've been put off him. I couldn't be dealing with the inconsistency either. I'd be off.

It's really hard for people to date single parents (and vice versa). They're your kids, the other person is 'taking them on' in a sense, at some point down the line, but not allowed to have a proper say. Often an impossible scenario.

I'm going YABU, because I think you brought this situation on and it could have been avoided if you parented appropriately. He went too far and should have asked you to seat the child properly, and if you wouldn't, he should have just left. That's what I would have done.

Perfectly articulated.

Sounds like the situation (in Wetherspoons?) was winding your DP up minutes beforehand. You didn’t read the signs. There is exception for toddler behaviour until a point where it’s just not cute but irritating for all around. You should have picked up on toddler pissing everyone off - but continued to let them.

If I was DP I would have been really pissed off and embarrassed. Sounds like one of those accidents where he just caught the drink and wanted to get your kid to sit down due to sheer embarrassment.

Sounds like you both have differing parental styles so yeah - bin him so he can meet someone who matches ‘his’ parental style and you can let your kid do as he likes and behave progressively worse when you go for meals :)

Zanatdy · 04/04/2024 20:40

Toenailz · 04/04/2024 20:37

A bus is family friendly too.

No one wants people or children to have their feet all over the seats (in fact it's not allowed), and they're not even sitting there to eat.

Safety aside of a moving bus, if the bus was completely stationary with engine off, it's still absolutely not OK.

Family friendly doesn't equal not respecting other peoples property, and respecting those around you. Family friendly doesn't mean no one else who doesn't have kids can't or shouldn't use those facilities.

Why does it need taught to adults that nobody should be putting their feet or dirty shoes all over seating? Goodness.

Oh come on. One child waving for 3 seconds to a friend, who is going to have their meal ruined by this? Constantly and shouting maybe, but that’s not the case. Though of course some posters have decided it was. It gets so tiring, same thing on every post lately. I feel sorry for anyone who posts here hoping to get some actual advice.

Toenailz · 04/04/2024 20:43

Zanatdy · 04/04/2024 20:40

Oh come on. One child waving for 3 seconds to a friend, who is going to have their meal ruined by this? Constantly and shouting maybe, but that’s not the case. Though of course some posters have decided it was. It gets so tiring, same thing on every post lately. I feel sorry for anyone who posts here hoping to get some actual advice.

It wasn't 3 seconds, though.

Op themselves said the child was up and down, up and down, Sitting down, eating, then standing up, rinse and repeat. OP also said they told the child to sit down several times.

OP has since altered this to say it was 3 seconds.

The kid had his feet/shoes all over the seating for far longer than 3 seconds.

crostini · 04/04/2024 20:45

Candleabra · 03/04/2024 23:19

I guarantee the parents of the other child who “weren’t bothered at all” about your child standing on your chair and waving, actually were but too polite to say.

It’s hard to unpick what happened with the boyfriend due to your confusing narrative, but you can’t let your child behave like that in a restaurant.

Why would anyone be bothered about a 3 year old waving at their also 3 year old?! I certainly wouldn't be.
Standing up on a booth is fine. It sounds like a casual place and it's not dangerous like a chair is.

Hagpie · 04/04/2024 20:55

OP you’ve said yourself you know it’s off.

I know it’s hard but I grew up similarly to your boyfriend and any hint of misbehaviour from children would have me anxious and mysteriously angry. A kid standing in a booth would have made me so tense I wouldn’t have been able to focus on anything else until he sat down.

As a parent now, it has taken me A LOT of effort to calm down from this. Over time I’ve realised mistakes happen and the level of behaviour I should expect from children. If you’re boyfriend does not put this same effort into your son, he is going to continue this cycle. Trust me it is actually so much worse than you realise.

The first time I saw that my then-4 year old was not one bit scared of me, I could have hit her. I was angry over something she’d done and she just stood there calmly looking at me and waiting for me to do the breathing exercises/compose myself. I had to leave the room. Is your boyfriend the type of man that would do this?

Wornoutlady · 04/04/2024 20:55

@koolpop I think your concerns / bad feelings about this are 100% warranted. I would boot the BF out of your lives now, before it escalates to anything that might damage your kid. And keep that kid away from assholes.

Zanatdy · 04/04/2024 20:58

Toenailz · 04/04/2024 20:43

It wasn't 3 seconds, though.

Op themselves said the child was up and down, up and down, Sitting down, eating, then standing up, rinse and repeat. OP also said they told the child to sit down several times.

OP has since altered this to say it was 3 seconds.

The kid had his feet/shoes all over the seating for far longer than 3 seconds.

Regardless it’s not a huge amount of time. It doesn’t excuse a grown man getting angry at a toddler and I’m sure other diners weren’t upset by this situation. Everyone just always wants to focus on some minor detail and use it to bring down the poster and make them feel like a crap parent. It’s literally every post I read on here lately, and I don’t know why. It’s like people want to argue black is white sometimes, and for what reason? I guess it makes people feel superior that their child wouldn’t dare stand up and wave in a restaurant. I hope the poster knows that not everyone has this view of her. Eating out with small children isn’t easy, and trying to live up to others expectations is even harder.

wombat15 · 04/04/2024 20:59

No-one with a 3 year old is going to be upset by another three year old that they know waving at their child. The only person bothered by this was the DP.

Notsuretoputit · 04/04/2024 21:00

koolpop · 04/04/2024 12:25

I presumed mums net was a nice safe place to post and get advice from other mums with more experience than myself. This has not been the experience on this forum anyway it's been bashing and just exaggerating and pressuring the worst

Calling me lazy parent, bad parent, jermeny Kyle stuff. It's wild the exaggeration is beyond belief. And all over a 3 year old standing in a booth waving at another toddler he has been laughing and giggling with whilst getting food. No other families were bothered and if they were lighten up 😂 two kiddies having a giggle shouldn't ruin your meal.

The madness on this post is crazy.

Maybe all of you are terrible mums bashing someone this harshly, projection maybe (you all see the presumption and exaggeration I did there in an uno reverse to you all?)

There has been a few nice replies which has been nice. And if you are so bothered about a child standing for a few seconds. There's a nice way to say. Like personally I wouldn't, maybe you should consider. Not bashing and calling me a terrible parent over something so incredibly minor 😂

Then saying he's an abuser over it is also wild.

Honestly, most posters just come on to bash people behind the safety of a screen.

Two toddlers waving in a family friendly place is cute. Get rid of the partner.

MotherofAllMatriarchs · 04/04/2024 21:00

The comments here are predictably insane. Your three year old sounds completely adorable! Of course it’s fine and lovely for him to be standing and waving at a little girl at a family friendly buffet. We’re becoming so intolerant of kiddies as a nation.

Your man sounds less adorable to be honest. Great with kids should be a must with a three year old. No need for him to swear in front of them either over something very minor. Red flags are waving for me, sorry OP. The kids shouldn’t feel they’re walking on eggshells around a family member. I’d ditch this one for someone who’s great with kids.

LuckySantangelo35 · 04/04/2024 21:10

Toenailz · 04/04/2024 20:43

It wasn't 3 seconds, though.

Op themselves said the child was up and down, up and down, Sitting down, eating, then standing up, rinse and repeat. OP also said they told the child to sit down several times.

OP has since altered this to say it was 3 seconds.

The kid had his feet/shoes all over the seating for far longer than 3 seconds.

I wouldn’t care if it was 3 seconds or 3 hours - feet shouldn’t be on seats. Not fair on the next person having to sit there

Mumtobabyhavoc · 04/04/2024 21:15

Wornoutlady · 04/04/2024 20:55

@koolpop I think your concerns / bad feelings about this are 100% warranted. I would boot the BF out of your lives now, before it escalates to anything that might damage your kid. And keep that kid away from assholes.

💯

Flamingos89 · 04/04/2024 21:18

Incoming lots of posts bitching about children eating in restaurants and general useless out of touch parenting advice! People most likely without young kids who decide to post on mumsnet! Nuts to me tbh!

Totally agree with your post however - ick! Your child is your main priority and it’s natural to feel protective! Speak to your partner honestly and see how he reacts to what you are saying. If he agrees to change and work to your rules he is trying to be apart of your family.

I had a step dad at a young age - it wasn’t perfect straight away but he really really worked hard! It’s difficult coming into a dynamic already established and finding your place! He is now my absolute rock and I love him just as much as a biological father. He is my Dad!

If he doesn’t try to change - he isn’t bothered. Move on!

Charlize43 · 04/04/2024 21:27

It sounds as though you both have totally different ideas about what is an acceptable way for a child to behave in public. I don't think you are compatible at all.

Anele22 · 04/04/2024 21:29

This sort of man worries me very much. How can you stand by and let this monster manhandle your child. Haven’t you been reading the news stories about dead babies? Do you know how those tragedies started?

Newpancake92 · 04/04/2024 21:41

@koolpop I'm sorry you had such hard time on this thread.
Not sure what's going on but it seems some people will do anything to get others down. This happens on nearly every AIBU thread but isn't exclusive to AIBU..

Xyz1234567 · 04/04/2024 21:49

I would suggest you dump the boyfriend and concentrate your energy on teaching your child basic table manners.

LanaL · 04/04/2024 21:50

Woah the ending just changed the whole post . He’s not your child’s dad , you as his mother were allowing him to stand and wave at another child and he took it upon himself to ignore that and reach over to physically stop your child doing something that was only bothering him. The damn cheek , not surprised you’ve lost attraction to him . Honestly this would be a relationship ender for me right there

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